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Status of the French VAE - delafaide - 07-27-2010 The VAE Validation des Acquis de l'Expérience established in 2002 with the Loi de Modernisation sociale mandates (not allows) French Universities to grant part or full regular academic degrees on valuable work experience. Many in the US did not believed this process, which is now, I think,legitimized. Here are the last VAE info available for the year 2008.
I remember in 2004 self-proclaimed US experts that doubted of the existence of this Law and predicted that no French universities will ever grant a full degree on work experience!!! It seems, from France, that now the VAE procedure is totally accepted by US Universities for their foreign applicants.Why US universities does not go the same way with PLA? We were also ridiculed by forecasting that the European Bologna declaration system (3/5/8) will never be accepted by US universities. As far as I know European 3 years Bachelor's degree are accepted by US Universities for their graduate programs. (One of the first one being Duke 4 years ago) Could you elaborate on that two points? This thread is not about our institution, which pioneered International VAE but about the French procedure, that could be seen as revolutionary. Merci beaucoup, RE: Status of the French VAE - ham - 07-27-2010 VAE exists, much as PLAR provisions have ALWAYS been present in ANY educational system. VAE in fact means PLAR in French... About VAE: http://www.vae.gouv.fr/ From the horse's mouth... http://www.education.gouv.fr/cid1106/la-validation-des-acquis-de-l-experience-v.a.e.html Quote:Dans la majeure partie des cas, [COLOR="Magenta"]le candidat doit remplir un dossier détaillant son expérience professionnelle et les compétences acquises. Il se présente ensuite devant un jury qui décide de valider tout ou partie du diplôme visé.[/COLOR] En cas de validation partielle des acquis, des prescriptions sont proposées au candidat en vue d'obtenir la totalité du diplôme. VAE is just an acronym in French to designate credit given for prior learning/experience; something that one's local university down the block offers, too. Be wary of parties with vested interests presenting 'exotic' VAE as surefire way to fast'n'easy degrees 110% PLAR. It isn't easier to get a VAE degree from an accredited, official French university than it is to get one from one's local accredited, official university. Some millists do (ab)use the term VAE much like they abuse(d) the wording of the UK education act claiming that the value of a degree shall be left to the sole appreciation of employers. Why? Because the target public is totally clueless and ignores the technicalities of unheard of, foreign laws in a language they can't even understand...but it's oh so sweet if a fast'n'easy degree can be granted on the basis of some mysterious foreign law... Liberia, anyone? DLG;9195 Wrote:Not true. The French VAE system mandates French universities to grant credit or an entire degree without formal study in the university. This includes virtually all French universities. As you have said yourself, no US school will grant more than a certain percentage of the credits for a degree without formal unuiversity study (in residence). The term may be the same but the practice is quite different. sure...there are gigabytes of laws and procedures. I posted the relevant governmental websites. I am sure that complicate legal procedures cannot be translated into used car salesman's slogans that apply to everybody. First the law 'mandates' nothing in the sense that universities are not 'obliged', but simply granted a possibility. Most educational systems offer the possibility of being granted degrees without formal classes...I heard Steven Spielberg was awarded a degree by presenting 'Schindler's list' as a portfolio . This provided you can find a university council, académie or university senate that will approve your request. Most often they will simply make demands you can't meet. In other words the typical reader of these websites isn't some Steven Spielberg or some billionaire philanthropist who can easily secure the approval of mostly any committee; the typical reader of these websites is mid-card Wong, Leroy, Pedro or Barney from mid-town Oklahoma. Now how realistic is it to suggest to mid-card Barney from mid-town Oklahoma (or mid-town British Columbia...or mid-town Shanghai ) to initiate a complex procedure full of difficulties, casuistry and small print with a foreign government? Can you successfully convince a French university committee arguing in French in France that it is in their best interest to grant you a full degree? You don't even live in France after all... I wouldn't, and I have a postgraduate degree in French. VAE is surely legitimate; it is only the translation of PLAR after all; much like the 'UK education act' often referred to by millists exists and is legitimate. That has never meant that promises from dodgy schools and peddlers of bogus '110% PLAR' degrees have materialized in a legal way. Buyer beware. http://www.infovae-idf.com/html/procedure/valid2.html#1 Quote:Après un accueil dont l’objectif est de déterminer, en fonction de son projet, [COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"]si[/SIZE] le candidat a choisi le bon diplôme et la bonne université,[/COLOR] le candidat doit constituer un dossier détaillé et argumenté mettant en évidence son potentiel, ses compétences acquises au cours de son itinéraire professionnel, en lien avec la certification demandée. Le candidat pourra être accompagné durant sa démarche par les conseillers en VAE de l’université et les enseignants. VAE IN ENGLISH...? THE FAULTY EXAMPLE SOME MAKE... http://www.dauphine.fr/en/training-and-degrees/validation-of-gains-from-experience-vae.html?S=&print=1 I am afraid it is just a page of the portal translated into English (http://www.dauphine.fr/en/welcome.html ) much like http://www-ulp.u-strasbg.fr/en/bienvenue/; here is the Spanish version:http://www-ulp.u-strasbg.fr/es/bienvenue/ Beware of people online who mention mysterious lists of FRENCH universities supposedly offering VAE in English...but of course cannot produce the list as of now because it came from another site a long time ago and has since been "archived" and no traces is left... Quote:I think life experience credit (call it what you might) is so much crap. Maybe it's worth 1 year of a bachelors degree. Too many people have worked 20 years on a job and still don't know an asterisk from a hole in the ground. That's why they hire a young snot with a degree to show them how to do things. If you give all 20 year people degrees all you have is a bunch of stupid people with degrees and no-one is any smarter. In fact French VAE (the government process, not degree mills' hype ) is a very captious and long process; finally, one has to convince a committee made of both academics and experts in the field how it is in their best interest to grant one a full degree...in fact they might just grant partial exemptions...plus one may be asked to further prove one's skills in a controlled environment. Of course 'life experience' is a big word...one may have worked 20 years as insurance agent and have acquired some gift of the gab (a cold caller has more of it ) and superficial knowledge of the law in the field; the bulk of his knowledge, however, concerns procedures and lifestyle typical of the one -or the few- companies he may have worked with, which may or may not apply to another employer. That is why legitimate PLAR schemes exist everywhere, but in spite of being much talked about, one can count legitimate degrees entirely awarded on a PLAR basis. To know more about Université francophone Robert de Sorbon alternatively called Ecole Supérieure Robert de Sorbon, see here. RE: Status of the French VAE - RespectableGent - 07-29-2010 Quote:Why US universities does not go the same way with PLA? Colleges in the US are already operating far worse PLA programs. At an American college it's possible to get an accredited degree in under three hours based on a single easy multiple choice test. http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=720 RE: Status of the French VAE - BROWN TEAL - 07-29-2010 RespectableGent Wrote:Quote:Why US universities does not go the same way with PLA?Colleges in the US are already operating far worse PLA programs. At an American college it's possible to get an accredited degree in under three hours based on a single easy multiple choice test. Good stuff RG - this is precisely how RCD, Gus & Puffman got their RA "degrees". I'll be interested to read what Ham has to say about this. RE: Status of the French VAE - delafaide - 12-30-2013 Please note than Belgium is now applying also the VAE. RE: Status of the French VAE - WilliamW - 01-01-2014 VAE, PLA, BFD! Now it's called "Competency Based Education." Get hip; new name for old stuff makes old stuff new stuff. Quote:Blazing the Trail: Competency-Based Education at SNHU RE: Status of the French VAE - delafaide - 04-05-2014 Mr. Ham said that VAE (Validation des Acquis de l'Expérience) is a rare tedious process in france Hum Ham Hum... According to the French VAE Portal in 10 years (2002-2012) 100 000 regular degrees (not credits) were bestowed upon, through this procedure. As usual you may not trust our VAE expertise but... RE: Status of the French VAE - ham - 04-06-2014 just keep trumpeting for attention...you might get some...sooner or later...no guarantee it's going to be the kind of attention you yearn for, if you get my drift RE: Status of the French VAE - delafaide - 04-08-2014 (04-06-2014, 04:11 AM)ham Wrote: just keep trumpeting for attention...you might get some...sooner or later...no guarantee it's going to be the kind of attention you yearn for, if you get my drift.Could we be adult this discussion is about VAE not my institution (i sais it from the beginning. I just point out that the VAE for full degrees surpasses 100.000 in 12 years according to the French government. You said that it was, tell me if i am correct a very rare procedure that it is not the case. Also sorry what drift means..?(As you know I am am French and we are not very good at English). Sincerely yours, (04-06-2014, 04:11 AM)ham Wrote: just keep trumpeting for attention...you might get some...sooner or later...no guarantee it's going to be the kind of attention you yearn for, if you get my driftSorry I was not talking (as said before) about my institution but about the VAE procedure in General, a procedure that you seem not to like,... Its your right. It seems to me that you said that it was a very rare procedure, Am I right? In fact, is not the case as according to the French Gvt. 100 000 VAE finished in getting a full U. degree in 12 years. from Public universities. What is a Drift ?, I did not get it. (sorry I am not anglophone Also please avoid ridiculous threat, I was just talking about a procedure which is use by public universities in my country... and I thought it could be interestingto the education specialists, even if they are against it. |