Oikos University shooting. Some weird stuff....
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I guess we all heard the news about that guy who shot up that school over in Oakland. Well I did find some interesting stuff about the school he was at.

The Chronical of Higher Learning, the unbiased bastion of truth and honesty (he he) has an interesting post mortum on this:

http://chronicle.com/article/Former-Stud...in/131419/

The comments afterward are kind of interesting. Note how its all focused on the gun issue.

Whats odd, considering that it is posted in the CHL is that there is little discussion on the unaccredited status of this school or the fact that it caters to the Korean community of the bay area.

Interesting also, this Goh fellow dropped out of the Nursing program but was not refunded.

I would guess that this school is not as fortunate as other unaccredited schools in that it actually has a physical campus and a really pissed off ex-student can actually walk in and shoot up the place.

A really odd thing, that the Chronical failed to pick up on was that this school was under scrutiny by California authorities for its low passing rate of its nursing program.

http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_20317785

This being in a state known for its liberal academic policies. Well, I am guessing that we have not heard the last of this tragic story. I do hope that the survivors of this horror are able to get on with their lives. But I do fear that some kind of back lash is in order. Seems that law makers always over react to tragic incidents like this one.

Note one inconsistancy: The Chronical described this school as being unaccredited but in the inteview with a state official, the Mercury quotes that official as stating that the accredition for the nursing program may be lost. I believe what Mr Heimerich really meant to say was that the school might loose its license to teach nursing.

More stuff:

About the suspect:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cg...1NU3F1.DTL

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Quote:An unusual portrait emerged of Goh, with his nursing instructor saying that he was consumed by an inability to get along with women before he left the school a few months ago. The teacher, Romie Delariman of San Leandro, said Goh didn't fit in at a college where women make up the vast majority of the nursing faculty and student body.

Delariman said Goh - a former construction worker with a string of debts but no criminal record that would keep him from buying a gun - was a good and eager student. But he added, "He just can't deal with women. ... I always advised him, 'You go to school to learn, not to make friends.' "

So the dude can't get laid and he got ripped off by a school that would not refund his money. Life sucks but thats no reason to kill people. Jeez.... Sad
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Quote:Delariman said Goh - a former construction worker with a string of debts but no criminal record that would keep him from buying a gun - was a good and eager student. But he added, "He just can't deal with women. ... I always advised him, 'You go to school to learn, not to make friends.' "

Another victim of the false dreams fostered by sit-coms and those stupid juvenile movies of the 1980s.

Quote:A recent blog post by Lew Rockwell sums up that position perfectly – "as I walked on a university campus this morning…the girl-boy ratio was overwhelmingly girl." Haven't you watched Animal House? What in God's name are you doing in the library? Who the hell goes to college to learn anything? Understood properly, America’s college system is not a haven of learning; it is a four-year party with the background noise provided by tenured hacks giving their interpretations of foolish utopian schemes culled from other long-dead hacks.

In college happy hour is every hour, so remember to ignore your professors and let your dog off the leash; it’s hunting season. You are there to network, drink, smoke, and build up the fond, blurry memories that will allow you in later years to watch a porn movie and reminisce about when you used to get up to such wondrous madness. Stop wasting valuable college time reading Mises and Hayek – they’ll be plenty of time for that later – and cease frittering away a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity.

So probably mr. Goh was a few cards short of a full deck...yet he -much as the macbeef guy- was a victim of the futile collegy-party model fostered by glossy school brochures and the media.
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(04-06-2012, 06:01 PM)ham Wrote: Another victim of the false dreams fostered by sit-coms and those stupid juvenile movies of the 1980s.

If the guy was American I'd be tempted to buy in, but Koreans are unlike Americans in many respects. Those of us who grew up on cowboy shows instinctively tend to appreciate the self-reliant, rugged individualists, even if we aren't always in a position to emulate them. Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, Harrison Ford, etc.

Koreans on the other hand tend to be far more social and cooperative in their outlook, with more emphasis on the group than the individual. In a way that's good if you happen to be an outsider, because they tend to embrace you and include you in, as if to say "things are tough here, we need all the help we can get."

The guys tend to work 6 or 7 days a week, and after work they tend to go out and have a few snorts with their buddies. So the moms raise the kids and the kids rarely see the dad. Because military service is mandatory in Korea nobody really worries about the boys growing up unruly or wussified without the fatherly presence because they know the Army will straighten them out in a hurry.

As a result the kids tend to act like kids a lot longer than their American counterparts. For those who miss the military service (such as by moving to the US) it's longer still.

So I can see where a guy who grew up in that culture has a tough time relating to "you don't go to school to make friends." He's never heard snickers when someone says "male nurse," he doesn't understand why his new female "buddies" don't want to hang out with him like the guys on the construction job did, he's working hard and doing everything he's supposed to do but somehow he always feels like he's on the outside looking in. Nobody's helping him and nobody's aiming him in the right direction, not like they always did when he was among his people.

Worst of all, he gets pissed off but nobody is telling him that shooting up the joint is a bad idea. It's not like it doesn't enter everybody's head at some point, but most of us have an internal voice that says "that's nuts!" This guy never developed the self-moderation that comes with self-reliance. He's isolated and he reacts just like the third grader he probably is emotionally. He was expecting mom or his buddies or somebody to tell him it was time to stop playing guns now and go to bed, but nobody did.

Not that any of this justifies the loony tunes behavior, just that it seems inaccurate to explain it in terms of American culture. Obviously shooting up the place is just as unacceptable in Korea as it is in America. The fact that yet another Korean has done so in another school suggests there is a commonality that is being overlooked.

The McBeef douchebag was similarly isolated, and IIRC none of his roommates were even Americans. He had no one to tell him "dude, that's fucked up" because none of them knew whether it was or wasn't and they didn't want to be "judgmental" or engaging in "cultural imperialism" or some of the other socialist PC bullshit in which they all no doubt had been indoctrinated.

In the pervert-riddled Bay area I'd expect the education drones and their students have been similarly indoctrinated. The "Romie Delariman" types probably made sure that all the ladies knew that any guy who spoke to them was only really asking (as Chris Rock said) "want some dick with that?" He probably didn't hate women, he just hated those alleged women.

Although maybe they were right for teasing him about his lack of manliness, if the only way he can make the gals swoon is with a bullet in the head.
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Quote:If the guy was American I'd be tempted to buy in, but Koreans are unlike Americans in many respects. Those of us who grew up on cowboy shows instinctively tend to appreciate the self-reliant, rugged individualists, even if we aren't always in a position to emulate them. Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, Harrison Ford, etc.

Koreans on the other hand tend to be far more social and cooperative in their outlook, with more emphasis on the group than the individual. In a way that's good if you happen to be an outsider, because they tend to embrace you and include you in, as if to say "things are tough here, we need all the help we can get."

Who knows, maybe he thought America was exactly as on TV: sleazy college women going to bed with whoever asks and is exotic enough...the land of plenty...you know the stupid juvenile movies and sitcoms that are exported worldwide...in only 93' the Michael J. Fox from nowhere character is in bed with the hottest gal of his choice; flies in a company jet; wins a karate tournament; monkeys around with more best friends than he can shake a stick at or whatever...
It turns out life is different from the movies...he asked for a refund on the ticket...in his own way.
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(04-07-2012, 03:13 AM)Winston Smith Wrote: As a result the kids tend to act like kids a lot longer than their American counterparts. For those who miss the military service (such as by moving to the US) it's longer still.

...Nobody's helping him and nobody's aiming him in the right direction, not like they always did when he was among his people.

This reminded me of BH Kim's meltdown in the 2001 World Series.

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Kim's teammates surrounded him on the mound so no one could see him crying, and Mark Grace put his arm around him. I don't know if that was just instinctive on Grace's part or he had been around Korean people, but it seemed like the exact right thing to do, even though it isn't something you ever see MLB players doing.

Nobody was putting their arm around George Frazier when he lost three games in the 1981 Series, and George wasn't crying about it (at least not in public) either.

Maybe if this Romie Delariman dame had been helping the guy out like you might expect a real teacher to do, instead of ridiculing him, he might have found a better solution. Didn't that McBeef kid also get ridiculed by his female English teacher? For all the "multi-cultural" and "diversity" bullshit that gets spread around in these colleges, these college prof/admin dames are more concerned about how long they can grow their dicks than with taking care of their students.
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