‘Long Live Zimmerman’ Sprayed On OSU’s Black Cultural Center
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If the defense did a video re-enactment with 120 lb. looking Zimmerman and the 6 ft 3 in actor, the thought that the diminutive insurance agent would be beating up a teenage football player would appear to be stupid. I think Zimmerman's people should start screaming racism saying things like they would never charge a white man. Doesn't the scenario play out that Hispanics are only victims of race crimes, not perpetrators.
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(04-13-2012, 11:55 PM)Ben Johnson Wrote: If the defense did a video re-enactment with 120 lb. looking Zimmerman and the 6 ft 3 in actor, the thought that the diminutive insurance agent would be beating up a teenage football player would appear to be stupid.

Zimmerman is said to be quite a bit more than 120, depending on the story, 180 or 200. One report said his nickname was "Tugboat" because of his size. But he definitely looks very short and out-of-shape soft, not at all like a match for the 6-3 football player Martin is said to have been.

Here's another Dershowitz story, similar to the previously posted one, but including links to the affidavit (also attached below) and Florida statute. Also some good comments on WTF the idiot prosecutor might have been thinking. She seems to be intentionally tanking the trumped-up politically motivated murder charge, toward what end we shall see.

Quote:Dershowitz: The charging instrument filed against George Zimmerman is “unethical” and will never make it past a judge
posted at 9:05 pm on April 12, 2012 by Allahpundit

Four and a half minutes of brutal criticism for prosecutor Angela Corey, whom he accuses straight-out of grandstanding for political gain. It’ll take you 30 seconds to read the entire charging instrument but I’ll save you 20 and post the critical bit:

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Second-degree murder under Florida law is defined as:

Quote:The unlawful killing of a human being, when perpetrated by any act imminently dangerous to another and evincing a depraved mind regardless of human life, although without any premeditated design to effect the death of any particular individual

Dershowitz’s point: There’s nothing in the charging instrument that suggests probable cause to believe Zimmerman had a “depraved mind regardless of human life” when he shot Martin. On the contrary, he notes, the facts as stated are consistent with self-defense. (Tellingly, there’s also no reference to Zimmerman’s injuries.) The prosecution can amend the affidavit to strengthen its case if the judge throws it out, but then you’re left wondering why they didn’t submit a more detailed affidavit in the first place.

I don’t understand Corey’s strategy in charging him with murder two. Maybe she thinks Zimmerman will plead to a lesser charge, but if it’s anything less than manslaughter she’s going to take tremendous heat for having gone too easy on him. That’s a weird predicament for a politically-minded prosecutor to put herself in. She’ll take some heat even if she gets him to cop to manslaughter, in fact, since manslaughter is a crime of simple negligence and people who want him prosecuted believe Zimmerman’s far more morally culpable than that. (This is all assuming he’d be willing to make a deal, which, given the weakness of the charging instrument, he probably isn’t.) In fact, I also don’t get why she insisted on filing an affidavit of probable cause instead of taking the case to a grand jury. If they refused to indict him, she could have blamed them for him getting off and claimed she’d given it her best effort. As it is, if Dershowitz is right, her own affidavit’s about to be tossed by a judge and then she’ll have to answer for why she couldn’t even get to first base on a conviction.

Maybe her plan is to use the judge here as a get-out-of-tough-cases card? She probably knows she can’t get Zimmerman on murder two, but she also doesn’t want to be the one to have to break that to the public. She also doesn’t want to have to try to prosecute him on murder two if the evidence isn’t there, which would be a risk if the grand jury did indict him. So instead she’s taking the middle path: Go directly to the judge with a weak charging instrument and rely on him/her to throw it out. Then come back with a new affidavit listing a lesser charge — manslaughter or murder three — and say that she has no choice but to prosecute Zimmerman under that because the court stymied her on murder two. I’ll be curious to see what the fact pattern in those affidavits looks like because, frankly, if it’s as thin as the excerpt I posted up top, I’m not sure she’ll get the court to sign off on those charges either.



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(04-13-2012, 10:04 AM)Ben Johnson Wrote: The jury is going to see pictures of an angry young black man, not the prejudicial ones of the 8 year old. It will really look neat when a 6 ft 3 inch actor re-enacts the struggle with a 5 ft 6 inch 120 lb. Zimmerman. It is truly going to look stupid. Anyone want to make any bets on the tox screen?

Apparently the judge can toss it all during a pre-trial motion. All Zimmerman has to prove is that he feared for his life or safety. I suspect a broken nose and a split scalp administered by a huge black stranger might meet the criteria. Note that murderers only call the cops in a bovine prosecutor's fantasy.
Maybe Zimmerman will need to explain why he ignored police orders not to follow Martin. Or why this guy who made very regular 911 calls and is a very well known crank was cruising around with a gun in his hand.

I think Zimmer deserves a fair trial as much as anybody but there has to be justice and quite honestly I think gun toting vigilantes are not a solution to any crime problem. They just make things worse.
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(04-14-2012, 08:30 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: Maybe Zimmerman will need to explain why he ignored police orders not to follow Martin.

Who put police in charge? It was a 911 operator and it was merely a suggestion. Zimmerman was neighborhood watch and any evidence points to him doing one thing - watching.

Quote:Or why this guy who made very regular 911 calls and is a very well known crank was cruising around with a gun in his hand.

So communities should be left to the bad guys. That way all cities could be hollow in the middle like Detroit where everyone quit giving a shit 40 years ago. I haven't read anywhere that the residents had anything less than respect for him.

Quote:I think Zimmer deserves a fair trial as much as anybody but there has to be justice and quite honestly I think gun toting vigilantes are not a solution to any crime problem. They just make things worse.

There is this thing call the Constitution and within it is this thing called the Second Amendment. It is no coincidence that the only places in America worth living pack heat in spades. The rest live in fear of the criminals or police.
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(04-14-2012, 11:51 PM)Ben Johnson Wrote:
(04-14-2012, 08:30 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: Maybe Zimmerman will need to explain why he ignored police orders not to follow Martin.

Who put police in charge? It was a 911 operator and it was merely a suggestion. Zimmerman was neighborhood watch and any evidence points to him doing one thing - watching.

Quote:Or why this guy who made very regular 911 calls and is a very well known crank was cruising around with a gun in his hand.

So communities should be left to the bad guys. That way all cities could be hollow in the middle like Detroit where everyone quit giving a shit 40 years ago. I haven't read anywhere that the residents had anything less than respect for him.

Quote:I think Zimmer deserves a fair trial as much as anybody but there has to be justice and quite honestly I think gun toting vigilantes are not a solution to any crime problem. They just make things worse.

There is this thing call the Constitution and within it is this thing called the Second Amendment. It is no coincidence that the only places in America worth living pack heat in spades. The rest live in fear of the criminals or police.

I may be the lone dissenter in this discussion but here is what I really think, I do not like that people can go around blowing away anyone who they think does not belong in their community.

We know that Martin made 46 911 calls in the past. See http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...e-log.html
He was a cop wannabe who failed to become an officer. He has a history of unstable behavior including an assult on a police officer. http://www.judiciaryreport.com/did_georg...harges.htm

Martin did in fact have legitimate business in the neighborhood. He was going to see his father.

Its interesting to see how so many people want to blame the victim but as I see it, the victim did nothing to warrent his killing. He was unarmed, he was not a large guy, and this Zimmerman character? Well he was just a goon with a chip on his shoulder.

Ultimately this will be up to a jury to decide. I only hope 12 people can be found who have not heard this case and already formed an opinion.
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It'll never see a jury. Something about a broken nose and a 1 1/2 inch gash in the scalp is a pretty good indication of self defense. The little prick thought he could play with grownups.
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(04-14-2012, 11:51 PM)Ben Johnson Wrote: There is this thing called the Constitution and within it is this thing called the Second Amendment. It is no coincidence that the only places in America worth living pack heat in spades. The rest live in fear of the criminals or police.

Well said, Ben Johnson. It is the fear not just of criminals but of the government that inspired the founders to include Second Amendment freedoms in the Constitution. The leftist media characterization of the neighborhood watch as "vigilantes" is similar to their corruption and denigration of the term "militia." We the people are the militia. We have the right and duty to protect ourselves from evil doers.
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(04-15-2012, 10:16 AM)Ben Johnson Wrote: It'll never see a jury. Something about a broken nose and a 1 1/2 inch gash in the scalp is a pretty good indication of self defense. The little prick thought he could play with grownups.
I would wager that there is a conviction on this. I could be wrong but when an officer tells you not to do something and you do it anyway it really makes you look bad. In this case, what he did led to the death of some kid half his age.

I do not think that a big burly 30 something who picks a fight and kills a teen will get much sympathy from a jury. Just my opinion.
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(04-17-2012, 03:39 PM)Virtual Bison Wrote: I do not think that a big burly 30 something who picks a fight and kills a teen will get much sympathy from a jury. Just my opinion.

Do you mean the mostly white jury who view a confrontation with a you violent black drug user as their worst nightmare? Come to think of it that's the worst nightmare of the black jurors. The guy is a soft spoken fat ass insurance agent with no (I repeat - NO) criminal record, who always avoided direct confrontation. Murderers do not call the cops to pre-report themselves.
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