Randall Flagg Wrote:I know it is very annoying and discouraging to lose as many posts and as much information as DLTruth has but we must move on. When you are dealing with the gang these things will happen. They do call employers and they do call schools and most of all they will lie and distort the truth. But that is the very reason we must continue presenting the other side. Just showing the unseemly side of DI was very useful to the world of DL. Showing that John Bear's past is NOT as he claims. Showing they do not all work at positions paying 350K as they would have the world believe, is of value.
We are the other side of the story. If we don't tell it who will? We must all post as often as possible and rebuild DL Truth. We must make the effort to post even when we are too busy. If we do not, they WIN, and then all people will hear from the DL discussion sites will be the past they wish to talk about, the $150 bottles of wine they drink, and that Excelsior will get you that great job at Harvard or that Union will be accepted by Yale every day. They will say a 110 day degree from TESC is just as acceptable as a 4 year program at the University of Texas. Someone has to tell it like it really is, and that is us.
They are the overinflated balloons, we are the pins.
Randall,
You are correct. Most of the threads can be retrieved through Google by typing thread titles or some of the content in quotes. It will stay there for six weeks.
Here is just one example:
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Post: #1John Bear Helps a Friend??
"Dr. Bear said this week that he would be "very surprised" if credentials from Greenwich were recognized by any of the 9000 institutions listed in UNESCO's definitive international university handbook.
He was also taken aback to see the institution, which offers distance education publicize itself as a "fully accredited university"--a term that concerns the Australian sector as universities here are self-accrediting.
"We were absolutely adamant that we would never use the word accreditation, except to explain that we weren't accredited," Dr. Bear said.
Dr. Bear pointed out that Dr. Walsh received his Ph.D. from the unaccredited Columbia Pacific University, which recently had its approval from the state of California revoked for irregularities."
--Mathew Spencer--Weekend Australian--Sat. 23,1999
Once more one must question just which is the most dangerous, to be a friend or enemy of John Bear. You know what I think? I believe that you do not want to get in the way of John Bear and a TV or Newspaper interview. He is going to tell whatever is necessary to get his name before the public. He didn't get that degree in marketing for nothing. He is always marketing John Bear and if you get in the way, too bad. Another thing, I've noticed that Bear likes to say that so and so has unaccredited degrees, as a method of showing that person to be questionable or that some business or school that he is involved with is questionable. Since Bear was the owner of three unaccredited schools (CPU-Greenwich-Fairfax) one might think that would make him just as questionable, if, that is his own selected method of attack. And yet Bear, while throwing the tar of unaccredited around, seems to think none belongs on him. I mean, just how does one say, "He has unaccredited degrees, don't trust him, and, oh yes I sold them, but YOU CAN TRUST ""ME"".
Now doesn't that sound like a nice big old fat double standard?
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04-28-2007 02:51 AM
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Post: #2RE: John Bear Helps a Friend??
Speaking of Greenwich, I see one of the inquiring minds at DD has discovered a new version based in HK.
Somebody using the handle "PayYourBillsGus!" is taking Bill Dayson to task for suggesting that since the new Greenwich administration all have Chinese names that this makes them "brain eaters."
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...hp?p=24409
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It seems that a new Greenwich University has risen from the grave. (It's like 'Dawn of the living Dead'... "Brains! Brains! Let me eat your Brain!")
http://www.greenwichuniversity.us
...Their "elite" management team all have Chinese names and apparently reside in Hong Kong:
http://www.greenwichuniversity.us/our-structure.php
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Their "elite" management team all have Chinese names
How do Chinese names make them brain eaters? Your name is Dayson, what is that, Jewish or something? What if I said that made you a brain eater, would you like that? You are one racist dirtbag.
04-28-2007 05:33 AM
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Malcolm Reed Wrote:
Somebody using the handle "PayYourBillsGus!" is taking Bill Dayson to task for suggesting that since the new Greenwich administration all have Chinese names that this makes them "brain eaters."
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...hp?p=24409
Brain eaters would starve at DD. Dayson is totally safe.
04-28-2007 08:56 AM
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Aubrey Gatewood Wrote:
Malcolm Reed Wrote:
Somebody using the handle "PayYourBillsGus!" is taking Bill Dayson to task for suggesting that since the new Greenwich administration all have Chinese names that this makes them "brain eaters."
http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...hp?p=24409
Brain eaters would starve at DD. Dayson is totally safe.
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04-28-2007 01:50 PM
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Post: #5RE: John Bear Helps a Friend??
You have to KNOW a few things, not just think them. Is the new Greenwich a mill? very possibly, but, I don't know that. DD and DI have one thing in common, a sincere desire to know it all before they know anything. Perhaps they should try proving a point by investigation and study before they call a thing good or bad. But I guess when you know it all you don't have to bother with that tiresome old fashioned stuff like research and investigation. It's good thing they don't believe the earth is flat, uuumh, on the other hand, maybe they do.
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04-29-2007 05:17 AM
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Malcolm Reed Wrote:
Somebody using the handle "PayYourBillsGus!" is taking Bill Dayson to task for suggesting that since the new Greenwich administration all have Chinese names that this makes them "brain eaters."
Nice catch by "PayYourBillsGus!" Another example of the anti-Asian racism that permeates that toilet bowl of "experts." I read Dayson's comments that way too. He considered the administration's Chinese names as evidence that the Greenwich operation was a mill.
Greenwich may well be suspect, but the ethnicity of the people operating it has little relevance to the analysis. That would be like saying MIGS was a mill because it was run by a bunch of Mexicans. The clones would have been screaming "racist" at anyone who dared to suggest it, but they totally ignore it when it's directed at an ethnic group they hate.
That's the same lot who watched in silence while DesElms and Janko were hurling racial insults at Asian posters at DI. Just another example of the clone double standard. If Greenwich was still being run by Bear or was being run by toelicking perverts (hard to say if that's a redundancy), they would consider it a shining example of a good choice in non-traditional education. Let some Chinese guys take a crack at it and it's a "brain eater."
That's really is just pure racism. So it was no surprise that the idiot Huffman immediately called for banishment of the poster who pointed that out.
04-30-2007 05:31 AM
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Don Dresden Wrote:
Nice catch by "PayYourBillsGus!" Another example of the anti-Asian racism that permeates that toilet bowl of "experts." I read Dayson's comments that way too. He considered the administration's Chinese names as evidence that the Greenwich operation was a mill.
Greenwich may well be suspect, but the ethnicity of the people operating it has little relevance to the analysis. That would be like saying MIGS was a mill because it was run by a bunch of Mexicans. The clones would have been screaming "racist" at anyone who dared to suggest it, but they totally ignore it when it's directed at an ethnic group they hate.
That's the same lot who watched in silence while DesElms and Janko were hurling racial insults at Asian posters at DI. Just another example of the clone double standard. If Greenwich was still being run by Bear or was being run by toelicking perverts (hard to say if that's a redundancy), they would consider it a shining example of a good choice in non-traditional education. Let some Chinese guys take a crack at it and it's a "brain eater."
That's really is just pure racism. So it was no surprise that the idiot Huffman immediately called for banishment of the poster who pointed that out.
Greenwich, which was an unaccredited version of Excelsior, was no better than any other decent unaccredited school and in some cases worse. Its only saving grace was that being a Bear school, minority owner, it was above serious attack by the gang. Why? they needed his present day support for the new "RA or No Way chant." In return for his new song they are willing to ignore his old one. It's like two skunks who agree to support and defend each other from all outside attack, practical, but it still smells like hell.
Example:
John said Kennedy Western was a good school.
Today he says it was not a good school.
He said Summit was good.
But now he can't seem to remember that little tune.
He called CPU one of the very best schools.
And now? nope, only negative things can he remember.
History is all we are, or will ever be. We keep making it all the time, and people will remember it all, not just what we would like to have remembered. Times change, or is it the people who change.
A school is what it is, it doesn't matter how large or small or who runs it. If it is sincere and legal, it is a school, if not, it's a mill.
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05-01-2007 02:55 PM
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Post: #8RE: John Bear Helps a Friend??
Randall Flagg Wrote:
You have to KNOW a few things, not just think them. Is the new Greenwich a mill? very possibly, but, I don't know that. DD and DI have one thing in common, a sincere desire to know it all before they know anything. Perhaps they should try proving a point by investigation and study before they call a thing good or bad. But I guess when you know it all you don't have to bother with that tiresome old fashioned stuff like research and investigation. It's good thing they don't believe the earth is flat, uuumh, on the other hand, maybe they do.
That's how Bear, Gollin and Ezell do all of their research. If not sure, just guess and see what happens. After all, they are the A-Team!
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Post: #9RE: John Bear Helps a Friend??
Brian Crawford Wrote:
That's how Bear, Gollin and Ezell do all of their research. If not sure, just guess and see what happens. After all, they are the A-Team!
"A" as in "Ain't got a clue". If they like it, it doesn't matter how bad it is. If they don't like it, it doesn't matter how good it is.
Look at this:
"For example one highly regarded unaccredited program reported that its students have transferred to more than 30 traditional universities, getting credit for work at the unaccredited school."
--John Bear--Bears' Guide--1997
"One large and decent unaccredited school, in operation for a quarter century, can only point to a dozen instances in which its degrees were accepted by other schools, most of those on a case-by-case basis."
--John Bear--Bears' Guide--2003
You see how he cherry picks the information. When he wants to say it's good, use this, when he wants to say it's bad, use that. Some people tell it as they believe it to be, and others tell, not what is best for you, but what is best for them. When a person sells stuff based on what he needs to make $$$, it's buyer beware time. Of course in reality, it was always that way, we just didn't know it.
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Post: #10RE: John Bear Helps a Friend??
Randall Flagg Wrote:
Brian Crawford Wrote:
That's how Bear, Gollin and Ezell do all of their research. If not sure, just guess and see what happens. After all, they are the A-Team!
"A" as in "Ain't got a clue". If they like it, it doesn't matter how bad it is. If they don't like it, it doesn't matter how good it is.
Look at this:
"For example one highly regarded unaccredited program reported that its students have transferred to more than 30 traditional universities, getting credit for work at the unaccredited school."
--John Bear--Bears' Guide--1997
"One large and decent unaccredited school, in operation for a quarter century, can only point to a dozen instances in which its degrees were accepted by other schools, most of those on a case-by-case basis."
--John Bear--Bears' Guide--2003
You see how he cherry picks the information. When he wants to say it's good, use this, when he wants to say it's bad, use that. Some people tell it as they believe it to be, and others tell, not what is best for you, but what is best for them. When a person sells stuff based on what he needs to make $$$, it's buyer beware time. Of course in reality, it was always that way, we just didn't know it.
That's where you have to give George Dana Gollin and his mouth piece Otho Allen Ezell, Jr. credit. When that dream team is 20% wrong, they are constantly 20% wrong and will never admit to making a mistake. They never waffle, they just give inaccurate information and stick to it. I especially like the part where you never see Gollin's mouth move when Ezell speaks for him.
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