Chadwick University Called a "Diploma Mill"
#11
Fort Bragg Wrote:
Duggle Wrote:No opinions offered, except what was found in the press.  (That Chadwick is a diploma mill.)

I supposed you are reassured by the fact that the press never get's it wrong.

Sure they do. But there's no reason to think that's the case here. And there's one big reason to think they got it right: The State of Alabama, who has finally shut down a bunch of them, including two popular ones here: Chadwick and Breyer State.
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#12
Duggle Wrote:
Fort Bragg Wrote:
Duggle Wrote:No opinions offered, except what was found in the press.  (That Chadwick is a diploma mill.)

I supposed you are reassured by the fact that the press never get's it wrong.

Sure they do.  But there's no reason to think that's the case here.  And there's one big reason to think they got it right: The State of Alabama, who has finally shut down a bunch of them, including two popular ones here: Chadwick and Breyer State.

Bravo, bravo ... Gollin, Gus, Bear and/or one of the rest of the Gang got to someone in Montgomery (or is it Birmingham???) and got them to sign on for a witch hunt. Alternative education, educational choices? - forget it, go with the big money higher education cartel.

I'll publicly say "adios" and pack it in if they can do the same in Copenhagen! (yeah, you heard me right, Brian Fey, I'll pack it in and you and Johann can claim 100,000 members for all I care)
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#13
Little Arminius Wrote:Bravo, bravo ... Gollin, Gus, Bear and/or one of the rest of the Gang got to someone in Montgomery (or is it Birmingham???) and got them to sign on for a witch hunt. Alternative education, educational choices? - forget it, go with the big money higher education cartel.

I really would love someone to sue and see if Gollin's name pops up in discovery. He probably played the Special Agent Gollin scam. That sure seems to work for him. I don't know what it is about that knob Gollin but he can convince websites everywhere to remove civil posts of those who disagree with him. "Hello, I'm Special Agent Gollin and this is a matter of national security."
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#14
Fort Bragg Wrote:
Little Arminius Wrote:Bravo, bravo ... Gollin, Gus, Bear and/or one of the rest of the Gang got to someone in Montgomery (or is it Birmingham???) and got them to sign on for a witch hunt. Alternative education, educational choices? - forget it, go with the big money higher education cartel.

I really would love someone to sue

he is just a puppet let loose by those in power...who hold the keys of the closet where skeletons are kept, among other things.
Judges and the like are in cahoots and enforce what those in power think good & honorable at the moment...subject to change without notice...
If one day the tide turns, big guys will just pull a skeleton from the closet, rub his face in it and spread confidential news that the man is no longer to trust, but a lunatic on the loose who must be ignored...or worse...
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
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#15
Little Arminius Wrote:
Duggle Wrote:
Fort Bragg Wrote:
Duggle Wrote:No opinions offered, except what was found in the press.  (That Chadwick is a diploma mill.)

I supposed you are reassured by the fact that the press never get's it wrong.

Sure they do.  But there's no reason to think that's the case here.  And there's one big reason to think they got it right: The State of Alabama, who has finally shut down a bunch of them, including two popular ones here: Chadwick and Breyer State.

Bravo, bravo ... Gollin, Gus, Bear and/or one of the rest of the Gang got to someone in Montgomery (or is it Birmingham???) and got them to sign on for a witch hunt. Alternative education, educational choices? - forget it, go with the big money higher education cartel.

(snipped)

This happened? Please share the details. Or are you basing this on the undesirable outcome alone? Could there be other explanations? Like that these businesses are educational shams, for example? As for the "cartel," funny how new schools freely join it. Also, is the state government part of the "cartel"? How do they benefit? The illogic of this is stunning, when the simpler explanation is that the state finally started doing its job.

Great claims require great evidence.
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#16
Quote:Also, is the state government part of the "cartel"? How do they benefit? The illogic of this is stunning, when the simpler explanation is that the state finally started doing its job.

Great claims require great evidence.

much like in the economic flush of the toilet of these last months, eh?
Big brother doing its job?
How does big brother benefit?RolleyesBig Grin
And I thought that academic positions were another field for political struggle...
I must go back watching Birdman & the Galaxy Trio...
RolleyesBig Grin
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
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#17
Duggle Wrote:Great claims require great evidence.

We haven't yet adopted the Richard Coleman Douglas standard of evidence, having our opinion be our evidence. Douglas managed to produce a term paper and called it a dissertation. His conclusions were not supported even by his manipulated evidence. It's not like his friends on his committee would have even had to have read it, knowing the genius of the person involved. Evidence - Douglas don't need no steenking evidence. He has opinion.
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#18
Not knowing anything at all about either Chadwick or Breyer State, and I see thet neither are operating in Alabama now but in N.M. and CA. respectively, I was wondering just how do CU & BSU stack up against one another?

Thanks!
  
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#19
Looks like all of you talk but none of you ever did all the work to get a degree at Chadwick. At 45, I know more than many books and received a little bit of credit for my experience. As for the work I did, I received real books, had to study for real tests, worked several years between 60+ hour days and 100 miles roundtrip to work. I almost completed my degree which would have helped me get ahead. You vultures can crow about Chadwick shutting down/moving or whatever but I worked very hard and lost everything.

I know other people whose company went from one environmental superfund/base closures to another. These people couldn't participate in fixed schools but could take a book with them wherever they went. One person already had a BS and many years on environmental sites but had to take four pre-courses before beginning Chadwick's Environmental Course. No Chadwick didn't get more for the extra courses, their BS was a flat rate for all the course books.

I suppose you say everyone should be forced into one technologically advanced mode of learning. It doesn't work for everyone, Chadwick filled a niche and people worked hard to get their degree, and now it's gone. Hope the snearers are pleased.

MRB
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#20
MRB Wrote:I almost completed my degree which would have helped me get ahead. You vultures can crow about Chadwick shutting down/moving or whatever but I worked very hard and lost everything.

A traditional tactic of the clones is to find some useful media idiot who doesn't have a clue about the higher education accreditation game, point them to a targeted unaccredited school and con them into writing some grand "exposé" about "diploma mills" and how doctors with fake degrees are running around killing innocent people.  Then bootstrap by hailing the article as "impartial" and incontrovertible evidence of the original lie.

The fact is that Chadwick was a legit but unaccredited operation, founded by Lloyd Clayton, whose unaccredited CCNH continues to thrive.  I would wager that once CCNH obtains DETC accreditation (and it will, eventually) that we might see either a resurrection of Chadwick or a gradual incorporation of its former programs at CCNH.  

If you have an unfinished program at Chadwick do some legwork and see if you can't find another school that will let you finish up your program.  You may find that there are quite a few legit, accredited programs out there that will accept your credits.  

As has been mentioned by others here, depending on your background and circumstances you could be closer than you think to finishing.  If for example you currently hold a responsible employment position, maybe had or are currently in military service or similar (police, fire, etc.), and have the means to pay for it, there are programs out there who will put their faith in you and ignore the propaganda on Chadwick.

Although, your situation does point out why it's often best to stick with the mainstream programs.  Particularly in the current economy, you really want a place that is going to be around as long as you are.  Even the vaunted accredited schools go out of business or change names.  That's where the billion dollar endowments have relevance.

But having said that, I understand why circunstances often dictate choosing a Timex over a Rolex.  Just watch out for the "Rolecks" or "Bolex" guys and you should be fine.
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