Little Arminius Wrote:Let me add that while I've been wrong on DL personalities before, the mistakes have been relatively few and in those instances I have admitted I was wrong.
I was initially wrong about ShotoJuku - he's an honorable, intelligent guy with his heart in the right place. The same goes for Little Fauss.
I thought that Quinn Tyler Jackson was a man of principle who would never back down in the face of a hostile crowd - we know what happened with that.
I believed that Rich Douglas was too rigid and inflexible in his views on accreditation - while we still disagree his views are thoughtful and not simply a reflexive RA only response.
I originally thought that Gollin was well-intentioned but misguided and heavy-handed - I was wrong, he's an egotistical, pompous blowhard.
At one point I gave Robert Ray Hill the benefit of the doubt - bad call, his continued affiliation with bogus schools has shown him to be a outright shill.
I believed that John Bear could once again be a major figure in the field by avoiding partisanship and taking on a senior statesman role. That hasn't happened yet so I guess that I was wrong there as well.
Then there's this:
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Richard Hoyer View profile
More options Jun 18 2005, 5:24 pm
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From: Richard Hoyer <rho...@rochester.rr.com>
Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 22:24:10 GMT
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Subject: Is this so called, "PROF LEN" on Drugs?
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Is "Prof" Len on Drugs???
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Who is this idiot "Len"? Appearently he thinks he speaking in my behalf
as well! I don't even know this moron and he know's me less than George
Gollin thinks he does. I was just told the following is posted on
degreeinfo about me and there is a sigle person on that tabloid who
knows me.
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Len Member Registered:
Aug 2003 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posts: 46
" NOthing sinister here, Bill. Product diversification is after all a
major strategy in business today, and SRU has never claimed to be
anything other than a private, for profit school (like hundreds of
others in the USA and elsewhere). The issue here is one of marketing
and the way in which a product (here, higher education) is delivered to a discerning public. The branch campuses were set up by NBOE, which owns but does not accredit SRU, in an attempt to diversify the course offerings, with the aim that some would focuson particular academic areas such as business, and that they would offer a greater degree of autonomy for some faculty who wanted to have a bigger part in proceedings. The NBOE is fully entitled by the Liberian MoE to set up and accredit branch campuses anywhere in the world. In some respects the project was over-ambitious, and within a short time NBOE re-thought the strategy, re-acquired those branch campuses that had been franchised out and brought the branch campuses back within the SRU fold. Now there are a couple of affiliated schools out there (Breyer State in Idaho and Al Qasim in Pakistan), but these are part of a more limited outreach in which SRU maintains its main identity.As to why the numbers match, I've partially answered that already. Perhaps the best way to think of it is of NBOE as an umbrella entity with various branches and forms of marketing emanating from it. Sorry if you don't like the idea of higher education as a business in which for-profitplayers have a stake, or if you don't like the style of marketing (compare UoP, however, which goes as far if not further), but it is increasingly becoming a reality that private education providers, working hand in hand with business, are providing solutions that are proving popular with certain sections of the public whose needs they meet. The physical address issue is explained by the following chronology:1984: SRU is chartered as a small bricks and mortar non-degree awarding technical school in LIberia. One of its graduates at this period is the present Commissioner on Higher Education in Liberia, Dr Lawrence Bestman.1990's: The bricks and mortar school operation becomes uneconomic and the school closes. It continues existence as a paper corporation.1998: A consortium which is to become the NBOE, headed by Dr Richadr Hoyer acquires the corporation, together
with Robertstown, which has a similar history, and begins application
for Liberian accreditation (to award degrees) and preparation for a
switch to a totally online operation.Late 2001: The online operation is
trialled with a temporary license from Dominica to award degrees. At
this stage, there is no certainty that Liberian accreditation will be
granted. Accreditation is also obtained as a branch campus of IUFS,
Russia in 2002. August 2002: Liberian accreditation is granted. SRU
ceases operations in Dominica and abandons IUFS link. It re-establishes an office and personnel in Liberia, whilst continuing to base some operations elsewhere, notably in the US and Pakistan.Late 2002: Dr Hoyer resigns from SRU to pursue other interests. SRU management restructures and abandons many of the links forged in the Hoyer era, including associations with dubious *accrediting agencies*.You'll be asking what is done from the US, and what from Liberia. I expect some more questions on this, but the simple answer to the numbers question firstly is that there is no reliable webserver in West Africa that can provide an always-on service, so SRU has always used webservers based in the US and staff there to maintain them. All archives and documentation are stored in Monrovia.General administration is undertaken in Liberia in peacetime, although at present little can be achieved in Monrovia because of the war. Jallah Faciann is SRU's Director in Monrovia; he's a Liberian and lives there permanently, and has remained there throughout the conflict. Other SRU staff divide their time between the US, Liberia and other countries. Some are based in the US, such as Blake Carlson, but spend much of their time in Liberia. Richard Novak acts as a roving ambassador for SRU and is currently at the peace talks in Ghana until the 30th.Hope this is helpful.
Regards,Len.
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Len,
I just want to know what you're smoking or medication you are taking?
Is this the same thing George D. Gollin is on? Who the hell do you
think you are saying all of these lies about me, literally none of this
crap is true and you are so full of crap that your eyes are brown. Is
this some poor attempt at a fiction novel? You and these lies is what
has led George D. Gollin to making assumptions about me and neither of you two know a thing about me or have any business making up these lies!
Neither of you two dreamers have bothered to contact me by phone, email or snail mail. Just who the hell do you think you are. Just because you are in SA, don't think that makes you immune to legal action.
Dr. Richard J. Hoyer
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(585) 266-4832
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Len on drugs?? He needed all the help he could get to keep a straight face in his St. Regis days.
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Len has been around a while. He is an old frump, sour, nasty and always looking for friends everywhere and anywhere, needing to be a part of any group, no matter how bottom of the barrel, and yearns for any acceptence by anyone, spinning yarns and tall tales to get attention as the "in-guy", then being outted as knowing nothing, and constantly rejected. He's helping John Dovelos and John Kersey now, telling everyone the ins and outs of their schools.
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Len has told the details as given by Dixie Randock, the owner of St
Regis University.
The same story was told to me also. Dear Hoyer, Please also ask Dixie, if you have doubt on this.
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Len has been around a while. He is an old frump, sour, nasty and always
looking for friends everywhere and anywhere, needing to be a part of
any group, no matter how bottom of the barrel, and yearns for any
acceptence by anyone, spinning yarns and tall tales to get attention as
the "in-guy", then being outted as knowing nothing, and constantly
rejected. He's helping John Dovelos and John Kersey now, telling
everyone the ins and outs of their schools.
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Shame, come talk to me - you sound lonely......now post something
worthwhile that we can read.
Len.
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Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:14:37 GMT
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LEN VAN DER WALT
Being you are not answering my email and cry about me making your major screw-up public. Possibly you will answer now? It's a bitch being publicly called on your actions, isn't it? I do have his original
email, if anyone would like it, just email me.
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From: "Van der Walt, Len" <Len.VanderW...@za.bp.com>
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Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 5:43
Subject: Who am I?
Dear Sir,
You want to know who I am? (Or rather, you refer to me as a "moron"):
Who is this idiot "Len"? Apparently he thinks he speaking in my behalf
as well! I don't even know this moron and he knows me less than George Gollin thinks he does. I was just told the following is posted on degreeinfo about me and there is a single person on that tabloid who knows me.
Len,
I just want to know what you're smoking or medication you are taking? Is this the same thing George D. Gollin is on? Who the hell do you think you are saying all of these lies about me, literally none of this crap is true and you are so full of crap that your eyes are brown. Is this some poor attempt at a fiction novel? You and these lies is what has led George D. Gollin to making assumptions about me and neither of you two know a thing about me or have any business making up these lies!
Neither of you two dreamers have bothered to contact me by phone, email or snail mail. Just who the hell do you think you are. Just because you are in SA, don't think that makes you immune to legal action.
Dr. Richard J. Hoyer
PO Box 17617
Rochester, New York 14617
(585) 266-4832
Rho...@rochester.rr.com
Let me tell you who I am. I am one of those that bought 4 degrees from St. Regis University - BA, BBA, MBA and PhD - and on which yoru signature appears. I was a faculty member of SRU. I believed in SRU, until the sky fell in on it, and and all 4 these degrees have now
proven utterly worthless. That's who I am, sir.
ANSWER: So you lied to SRU and claimed to have transferable college
credits, experiential learning and qualifications that you know you do
not have. You just admitted that you in your view you "bought 4
degrees" and are upset about it?
So you never earned your degrees to begin with and by the looks of your spelling, you may want to take a course in English 101.
And by the way, I did not write what you are questioning. That was
written by someone else who asked me to post it on their behalf.
ANSWER: So you are someone's puppet and just post what others tell you to post. That is more bullshit than even you can find in South Africa. You wrote it, you're responsible for it and now you try to deny it!
Let me get this straight. You don't know me, you know nothing about me and you wrote all of those lies about me owning NBOE and SRU? Then because of your verbal diarrhea and constipation of the brain, George Gollin and his followers believe this to be the actual history of NBOE and SRU.
You were not associated with SRU during the big three months I was an uncompensated Provost for them and I never had anything to do with their day-to-day operations. As the Provost, I would have been the chief academic officer and the faculty would report to me. Did you ever report to me? Did any faculty members ever report to me? Allow me to help you with this, NO!
By the way, I too am full-blooded German, so that doesn't impress me
much. Before my name was Americanized, it was Heuer.
LEN VAN DER WALT
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Len is an IDIOT who will likley get his fat ass sued off along with
Azad's huge eunich ass for defamation. Len seems to propogate ANYTHING
said by buddy Azad who just got out on bail for EXTORTION and FRAUD.
Len if you have even ONE brain cell you'd back off making your
ridiculous accusations knock off the cybersmear crap. You have been
proven wrong repeatedly and it just may land you in court.
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Hoyer,
If you go to the trouble of accessing SRU's database you will see that
I indeed declared all college credit transfers, previous learning,
experience, etc. "Bought" in my view means paid for - as SRU's website
so conveniently referred us to the payment site after the degree(s) had
been awarded. I did not lie about anything. Why don't you access that
database as I stated above and then post your findings here, instead of
waffling on about me lying? C'mon, do it please, I beg you, and then
we'll see who has egg on his face.
You guys are worse that DegreeInfo on this forum!!
Yep, I'll take the advice, thanks - I'm done with you sorry bunch.
Len.
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