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ham Wrote:For your information 1755 takes place AFTER the English had received formal possession of Canada.


Governor Lawrence's proclamation may 14, 1756 offered 30 pounds reward for every scalp.

1759 - Plains of Abraham. In 1755 they had possession of only Nova Scotia.

At the end of April 1753 Le Loutre sailed for Acadia on the Bizarre, and the following year he was made vicar general there by Bishop Pontbriand [Dubreil*]. Upon his return he made persistent efforts to persuade the Micmacs to break the peace that had been signed with the British during his absence [see Jean-Baptiste Cope*], and he made use of them to harass the British settlers. He bought the trophies they brought back from hunts and raids; for example, he paid l,800 livres for 18 British scalps.(from random website)
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Quote:1759 - Plains of Abraham. In 1755 they had possession of only Nova Scotia.

At the end of April 1753 Le Loutre sailed for Acadia on the Bizarre, and the following year he was made vicar general there by Bishop Pontbriand [Dubreil*]. Upon his return he made persistent efforts to persuade the Micmacs to break the peace that had been signed with the British during his absence [see Jean-Baptiste Cope*], and he made use of them to harass the British settlers. He bought the trophies they brought back from hunts and raids; for example, he paid l,800 livres for 18 British scalps.(from random website)

With the treaty of Utrecht in 1713 England officially acquired Acadia.
Do NOT mix Atlantic Canada with Quebec.
http://history.cbc.ca/history/?MIval=EpC...isode_id=3
The Plains of Abraham concern Quebec, not Acadia (that had changed hands several times).
Otherwise, you must explain how Acadians were supposed to take an oath of allegiance to the English in the 1730s after long negotiations.
The Plains of Abraham rhetoric also recurs in Quebec's Catholic clergy's discourse (=we lost there and we cannot complain of what happens now ), not in Acadia.

Abbè Leloutre was a reaction to France's eviction from Canada.
Leloutre not only targeted the English, but French appeasers and pro-English in the name of France...he was a 'guerrilla leader' in the modern sense. Had he fought WWII on the 'right' side, you'd have monuments in his name.

About Indians: they were fed of armistices and truces being violated by the English and were mostly loyal to France. The Acadian deportation had nothing to do with war but with the planned effort of a superior military force to deport an entire civilian population.
Would you extend your judgement of Acadians to other 'special groups'?
If so, why?
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ham Wrote:For your information 1755 takes place AFTER the English had received formal possession of Canada.


Governor Lawrence's proclamation may 14, 1756 offered 30 pounds reward for every scalp.

M. le Jambon

Your words, not mine. At the time Canada was Quebec and parts west ergo my clarification.

My point is simply that war is hell and applying 21st century morality to 18th century conflict will never be productive. While I do feel for the plight of Acadians they are in no way unique.

I used to read books on the brutality faced by my second cousins in thr former Volga German Republic. The deliberate starvation, senseless executions, and deportations to Siberia in the dead of winter which killed well over half of them really enraged me. I did get over it. I simply stopped reading those books.
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Well, Ham was Noah's son...
Ham is a cut of pork meat...
Ham is a radio-ham or similar...
Ham in Russian apparently means 'bad person'...

Quote:My point is simply that war is hell and applying 21st century morality to 18th century conflict will never be productive. While I do feel for the plight of Acadians they are in no way unique.

I used to read books on the brutality faced by my second cousins in thr former Volga German Republic. The deliberate starvation, senseless executions, and deportations to Siberia in the dead of winter which killed well over half of them really enraged me. I did get over it. I simply stopped reading those books.

In reality war ethics was much more codified BEFORE the French revolution than it would be later and for a reason...cliques of consanguineous monarchs could afford a bit of etiquette because all they were after was land or the interests of some third cousin two steps removed they supported as king of a foreign country...
It all changed with the revolution, the creation of garde nationale and the Brunswick manifesto...basically it all became a matter of supreme principles...I think Saint-Just said that a Republic isn't the matter of a Senate, but of Virtue itself, while monarchy is not about a crown...it's crime itself...you don't compromise over supreme principles.
Not that war wasn't brutal and violent, but many 'courtesies' were instantly dropped with WWI and especially WWII, with the Revolution as antecedent.

Quote:I did get over it. I simply stopped reading those books.

Well, god forbid the day I wouldn't know better than believing they went to Iraq to bring miniskirts, 'freedom' and porn cable TV, or such tripe...
When people stop reading you get morons wishing to nuke 'frogs' and who wish death upon the very extremists their government has fed, trained and funded until recently...but they no longer remember...their longest term memory is the fifth season of some scummy sit-com or telepicture about some prat abducted by aliens and mated with his mother...
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ham Wrote:Well, god forbid the day I wouldn't know better than believing they went to Iraq to bring miniskirts, 'freedom' and porn cable TV, or such tripe...
When people stop reading you get morons wishing to nuke 'frogs' and who wish death upon the very extremists their government has fed, trained and funded until recently...but they no longer remember...their longest term memory is the fifth season of some scummy sit-com or telepicture about some prat abducted by aliens and mated with his mother...

I didn't stop reading, just moved on. Dr. Schmidt had an interesting observation on China. While we consider them as having a poor human rights record the Chinese see conformity for the greater good of society as being paramount. We have given up societal morals and the practical ability to prosecute many criminals because of individuals rights. Is one better or more just? Perhaps just different.
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Fort Bragg Wrote:Exactly how many le Blancs are there in the Moncton phone book?

1499
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