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A judgement of a French court would be fully enforced by an American court. That's the way things work in the world, treaties and such.
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Quote:By bad mouthing a French school on the internet in France Chip may end up in a French court with a very expensive French lawyer.
ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is dodgy. Period. Pure and simple.
In comparison, Warnborough IS Harvard. Period (I mean it).
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ham Wrote:ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is dodgy. Period. Pure and simple.
In comparison, Warnborough IS Harvard. Period (I mean it).
Warnborough is accredited in the UK. It no longer grants degrees.
Are we sure ESRDS isn't doing exactly what the French government intended?
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Quote:Are we sure ESRDS isn't doing exactly what the French government intended?
All I know is that when ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON emerged I made a few calls and sent a few letters, whose results I made public
INSISTING THAT PEOPLE VERIFY THEMSELVES CONTACTING THE OFFICIAL SOURCES I HAD MENTIONED.
See attached one of the many.
It says (2004): this school is legal; it is an association under law 1901, but it cannot award degrees recognized by the national education ministry.
As recent (2006) introduction of online universities in Italy confirms, proper recognition is needed and permission shall come from no other source than the appropriate ministry.
So it is legal (=most mills ARE legal) but its degrees are unrecognized by the competent authority.
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Another one (2004) from the competent Académie:
They say ESRDS adverises itself as an "American university"; that its degrees are not French degrees "such as those that duly recognized universities can award"; they add "the French document you attach [which ESRDS used to "prove" its accreditation ] does in no way constitute a recognition, but A REQUEST FOR MORE INFORMATION TO START A PROCEDURE/OPEN A FILE".
But American/English speaking suckers are not supposed to read French, or to locate the address of the competent Académie.
Buyer Beware...
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Dayson likes mocking people whose second language is not English.
Zurich - Let be serious, everybody knowns that a 5 years old university operating in France if legal.
Dayson -That sentence doesn't make sense in English.
More zenophobic nonsense
Mr Degree - The American University of Paris has been in existence for 47 years. The University is accredited by the Commission on Higher Education of the Middle States Association of Colleges and Schools
I hope he realizes that such accreditation is meaningless in France. Perhaps the French see Middle States as an accreditation mill that a French school would use to gain recognition it does not otherwise have. The French are maybe as zenophobic as Americans.
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I am surprised that they babble back & forth but don't do what I just did in 2004 (it took me an hour or so).
Again, the core assumption is that the average English-speaking audience both cannot understand French (and how things are done in France) AND overall care more about the Bombingham Rednecks playing against the Montana Negroes; more so, the average audience couldn't give a f-ck about VAE (just PLAR in French): they just want a "legally sounding degree" that they hope will convert back to their homeland's so outdated and much despised educational system they wanted nothing to do with, thanks to some "sympathetic" evaluator, like some mr. Prade was once linked to ESRDS and just the way it went with Liberian mills.
The statement that in France accreditation does not exist tells you they are clearly playing on the audience's ignorance of basic facts.
France, Italy etc zealously enforce accreditation, which includes curricula that have to look much the same etc etc; of course one may open a "private&legal" school, but degrees will remain unrecognized.
A private school operating in Italy and awarding degrees through different legitimate UK universities once admitted they were spending most of their revenue to fight the State in court over recognition of student status & degrees: so much for non-existing accreditation.
It is nice to know dodgy ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is this week a religious institution...nevermind American or from the Comoros...
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ham Wrote:It is nice to know dodgy ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is this week a religious institution.
As were Harvard and Yale.
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Fort Bragg Wrote:ham Wrote:It is nice to know dodgy ECOLE SUPERIEURE ROBERT DE SORBON is this week a religious institution.
As were Harvard and Yale.
Maybe you don't, but I still remember when ESRDS claimed to be accredited from the Comoros, and next paragraph from the USA. Maybe when they are through with the bottles of rum, they'll stick to one single opinion...
I think time would be better spent defending DETC or the few legitimate unaccredited schools than dodgy outfits, but what do I know?
Anyways buyers: do not trust anyone but contact relevant French authorities yourself to find out...after all, it's YOUR name & YOUR money.
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ham Wrote:Maybe you don't, but I still remember when ESRDS claimed to be accredited from the Comoros, and next paragraph from the USA. Maybe when they are through with the bottles of rum, they'll stick to one single opinion...
I think time would be better spent defending DETC or the few legitimate unaccredited schools than dodgy outfits, but what do I know?
Anyways buyers: do not trust anyone but contact relevant French authorities yourself to find out...after all, it's YOUR name & YOUR money.
I remember a school with a similar but not identical name registered in the Comoros run by the same people.
My guess is there are hundreds if not thousands of unaccredited schools in the US. What's the biggy with ESRDS?
If they have a process, acceptable in France, to turn legitimate experience into degrees for the sum of $600 no-one is doing a lot of suffering financially.
