Crotch Bomber Studied At Australian Uni
#21
ham Wrote:You may not know it, but "special tribunals" are the greatest violation of democratic principles, for one has to know at all times he'll go through the normal justice system.
Again, it's absurd to continuously bemoan stereotypical "Nazi horror" and to suggest the very same methods...torture, concentration camps, special laws/courts, profiling, military actions targeting civilians etc.

Actually what works is bypassing the trial system totally and taking care of things on the spot. How many of the Chechen rebels in the attack on the theatre in Russia were convicted? That would be none. All hundred or so seem to have died during their arrest.

The problem with civilian trials for military conflicts is that to get what would be judged as a fair trial the defence would be required to have access to the intelligence that led to their arrest.
Reply
#22
Quote:Actually what works is bypassing the trial system totally and taking care of things on the spot. How many of the Chechen rebels in the attack on the theatre in Russia were convicted? That would be none. All hundred or so seem to have died during their arrest.

That's how Germans handled the Warsaw ghetto uprising; that is how Bolsheviks handled whom they defined as bourgeois or reactionary.

Quote:The problem with civilian trials for military conflicts is that to get what would be judged as a fair trial the defence would be required to have access to the intelligence that led to their arrest.

Exactly what Nazis or Bolsheviks thought of their camp system. People on black lists were no longer deemed worthy of constitutional treatment because they were on the black list as antinationals, whatever. And the State and ruling party were free to put whomever on that list for any reason.
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply
#23
I make a distinction between foreign enemies trying to destroy the country from domestic criminals. Why a "soldiers" from a death dealing theocracy should want or expect anything less than a quick and merciful death is beyond me. Constitutional protection should not extend to those who would crap on it.
Reply
#24
Quote:I make a distinction between foreign enemies trying to destroy the country from domestic criminals. Why a "soldiers" from a death dealing theocracy should want or expect anything less than a quick and merciful death is beyond me. Constitutional protection should not extend to those who would crap on it.

Exactly what Nazis thought.
They compiled their own list of those who -according to them- had "crapped" on the German people...or the proletarians in the case of Bolsheviks...or the French roturiers in the case of Jacobins...
Jacobins conducted a mass extermination campaign in royalist Vandee, in France; you do not hear much about it because editorials are busy with hate crimes, but Paris expressly wanted the entire population destroyed...deaths? Nobody knows. You'll find that archives 'talk' according to the political opportunity of the day, and nobody wants to talk about THAT. Some estimate upto 600.000 people in Vandee alone, which has nothing to do with noyades (mass drowning), massacres de Septembre, Terreur in general and revolutionary wars.
Bolshevism made the bulk of its victims in Russia and Jacobins were close.
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply
#25
Hold on. I am not talking millions or even thousands. I am talking maybe 100 or 200 by the time it's all done. Attempting to indiscriminately kill hundreds of civilians or planning to do so rates a quick exit. How exactly do you rehabilitate a suicide bomber?
Reply
#26
Well, I don't know what people HERE think, but chickenhawks usually have entire countries in mind, not single individuals.
Just think about this.
WWI started because Austria wanted to punish Serbia that -in their opinion- was a nest of conspirators and terrorists. It was true that Serbian authorities, especially the military, lent support to radicals and psychopaths who then managed to kill Austria's heir to the throne.
The entire democratic world rose against what was considered barbarous, even if everybody knew Serbia did in fact support radicals, although official press releases never endorsed their terrorist acts.

When the USA invade one country after another, that is considered the right thing to do.

Quote:Attempting to indiscriminately kill hundreds of civilians or planning to do so rates a quick exit.

You mean like the US embargo killed them?
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply
#27
Dennis Ruhl Wrote:
ham Wrote:You may not know it, but "special tribunals" are the greatest violation of democratic principles, for one has to know at all times he'll go through the normal justice system.
Again, it's absurd to continuously bemoan stereotypical "Nazi horror" and to suggest the very same methods...torture, concentration camps, special laws/courts, profiling, military actions targeting civilians etc.

Actually what works is bypassing the trial system totally and taking care of things on the spot.  How many of the Chechen rebels in the attack on the theatre in Russia were convicted?  That would be none.  All hundred or so seem to have died during their arrest.

The problem with civilian trials for military conflicts is that to get what would be judged as a fair trial the defence would be required to have access to the intelligence that led to their arrest.

Dennis Ruhl Wrote:I make a distinction between foreign enemies trying to destroy the country from domestic criminals.  Why a "soldiers" from a death dealing theocracy should want or expect anything less than a quick and merciful death is beyond me.  Constitutional protection should not extend to those who would crap on it.

Dennis Ruhl Wrote:Hold on.  I am not talking millions or even thousands.  I am talking maybe 100 or 200 by the time it's all done.  Attempting to indiscriminately kill hundreds of civilians or planning to do so rates a quick exit.  How exactly do you rehabilitate a suicide bomber?

That's about the right number. Keep it limited and unofficial and it will work. Draft an official policy and it won't.
Reply
#28
Quote:That's about the right number. Keep it limited and unofficial and it will work. Draft an official policy and it won't.

Israel has tried all concoctions in this realm and it apparently is not working...you don't solve such problems kicking in doors of a few dozens people at 3AM. Israel shows it doesn't work even if you blow up entire neighborhoods, arrest or intern people en masse and live in a police state.
Or do you think our rotten regimes who enter dysmenorrhea every time a teenager spray-paints a swastika can really do better than Israel does?
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply


Possibly Related Threads…
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Mass murderer Pol Pot studied at French University Virtual Bison 1 7,549 06-19-2012, 06:49 AM
Last Post: WilliamW

Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)