George Dana Gollin has a new victim to stalk
#1
George Dana Gollin has a NEW VICTIM to Stalk

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...php?t=3429

Author Message
g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    IUPUI lecturer is a WIDU "PhD"
Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis includes a School of Public and Environmental Affairs. Listed on its faculty roster in "Health Administration" is "Natalia Rekhter, Trustee Lecturer" who concentrates on "Health care finance and insurance, health care law and ethics, and strategic management."

Ms. Rekhter lists her degrees as:

* Ph.D., Health Science, World Information Distributed University
* Master of Health Services Administration, University of Michigan
* Bachelor of Education, State University of Ivanovo

Umm...


Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:41 pm      

jon porter
New Member

Joined: 30 Jan 2006
Posts: 25


    
Whoa. A trustee lecturer is a full-time, continuing position -- sorta like tenure-lite.

jon in indianapolis


_________________
Jon Porter (PhD, Nottingham)  
Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:28 pm    

g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    IN nix WIDU
...and Indiana law doesn't allow something like a WIDU "degree" to be used for employment, etc.


Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:31 pm      

g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    IC 24-5-0.5-12: "False claim of doctoral degree"
Indiana code (note the outdated reference to COPA, rather than CHEA):


Quote:

IC 24-5-0.5-12

False claim of doctoral degree

Sec. 12. (a) It is an incurable deceptive act for an individual, while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction, to claim, either orally or in writing, to possess a doctorate degree or use a title, a word, letters, an insignia, or an abbreviation associated with a doctorate degree, unless the individual:

(1) has been awarded a doctorate degree from an institution that
is:
(A) accredited by a regional or professional accrediting agency recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Council on Postsecondary Accreditation;
(B) a religious seminary, institute, college, or university whose certificates, diplomas, or degrees clearly identify the religious character of the educational program; or
© operated and supported by a governmental agency; or

(2) meets the requirements approved by one (1) of the following boards:
(A) Medical licensing board of Indiana.
(B) State board of dental examiners.
© Indiana optometry board.
(D) Board of podiatric medicine.
(E) State psychology board.
(F) Board of chiropractic examiners.
(G) Indiana board of veterinary medical examiners.
(H) Indiana board of pharmacy.
(I) Indiana state board of nursing.

(b) It is an incurable deceptive act for an individual, while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction, to claim to be a:

(1) physician unless the individual holds an unlimited license to practice medicine under IC 25-22.5;

(2) chiropractic physician unless the individual holds a license as a chiropractor under IC 25-10-1; or

(3) podiatric physician unless the individual holds a license as a podiatrist under IC 25-29.

© The attorney general shall enforce this section in the same manner as any other incurable deceptive act under this chapter.




Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:00 pm      

SteveFoerster
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1011
Location: Northern Virginia & Dominica, West Indies

    Re: IC 24-5-0.5-12: "False claim of doctoral degree&quo
g-gollin wrote:
Indiana code (note the outdated reference to COPA, rather than CHEA)

Since the requirements don't say anything about foreign credentials, does that means there's a blanket prohibition on their use in Indiana? I don't think that would have been their intention, but that's what it says....

-=Steve=-


_________________
WikiEducator: developing educational materials free to use, copy, and modify.

B.S., Info. Sys., Charter Oak
M.A., Ed. Tech., George Washington U., in progress  
Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:14 pm    

Tark
Senior Member

Joined: 24 Feb 2006
Posts: 111


    
The Indiana law prohibits the use of unaccredited doctoral degrees "while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction". Not sure that a university lecturer would qualify under this definition, as lecturers and professors do not ordinarily solicit money directly from students. My guess -- and this is only a guess -- is the law was targeted at phony "doctors" who use the title to promote health care products.


Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:57 pm    

Gus Sainz
Administrator

Joined: 13 Jan 2006
Posts: 532


    Attorney general to announce crackdown on fake diplomas
"Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter will be at Indiana University South Bend today to announce a crackdown on fake high school and college diplomas.

Carter has shut down two "diploma mill" Web sites that create the dubious diplomas.

He plans to speak at the campus, 1700 Mishawaka Ave., at noon.

Carter obtained an order from the LaPorte Circuit Court halting two Michigan City businesses from engaging in the sale of imitation high school and university diplomas via the Internet, his office said.

Investigators from the attorney general’s office were able to obtain fraudulent diplomas purportedly from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business from the companies."


Attorney general to announce crackdown on fake diplomas
State official speaking at IUSB today


_________________
Gus Sainz
Administrator
DegreeDiscussion.com  
Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:34 pm    

Hungry Ghost
Senior Member

Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 1168


    Re: IUPUI lecturer is a WIDU "PhD"
g-gollin wrote:
Ms. Rekhter lists her degrees as:

* Ph.D., Health Science, World Information Distributed University
* Master of Health Services Administration, University of Michigan
* Bachelor of Education, State University of Ivanovo

Umm...

I have absolutely no knowledge of how this happened. But my guess is that she's somebody that somebody at IUPUI already knew. She had her master's degree and they were willing to hire her full-time... if she only had a doctorate.

I wonder if IUPUI would be willing to let students that professors already know and like submit pre-written term papers purchased online? The profs already intended to pass these kids, so the work is just an empty formality, right?

Somehow I expect that what's acceptable for professors isn't going to be tolerable for their students.


Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:11 pm    

uncle janko
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1936


    
Deportation has such a pleasant sound.

Wuntcha tink that the funny name of the goativersity would have provoked a little curiosity? Nah.

Now watch Soviet-provenance Rekhter claim she was duped, and then that she's being picked on because she's an immigrant, or picked on as a Jew or a Volga German (with a name like that, she's the one ting or the utter*), never mind the thousands of Soviet-origin academics in the US with perfectly legit degrees from the Socialist Motherland, not to mention the ex-Soviet Jews and Germans here who would never in a million versts of Kuhscheisset resort to Mist like this.

Hang her high as Haman! Public health? Gevalt! Talk about "sicko"!


*After many years in the Weinbezirk, I got the accent down gut for the Wolgadeutschen. Lawrence Welk, ora pro nobis.


_________________
Doing good, doing well, raising hope and raiding hell. Janko Shave.  
Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:25 pm    

uncle janko
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1936


    
Also doch! Ich meinte "Kuhscheisse".


_________________
Doing good, doing well, raising hope and raiding hell. Janko Shave.  
Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:26 pm    

Jimmy
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1826


    
Tark wrote:
The Indiana law prohibits the use of unaccredited doctoral degrees "while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction". Not sure that a university lecturer would qualify under this definition, as lecturers and professors do not ordinarily solicit money directly from students. My guess -- and this is only a guess -- is the law was targeted at phony "doctors" who use the title to promote health care products.


The initial intent of this law was to curb hynotherapists.


_________________

B.S. Delta State University
M.A. Universidad FLET
M.S. California Coast University
M.S. California College for Health Sciences
M.Div. Golden State School of Theology
Th.M./Ph.D. Bethany Divinity Seminary

Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:56 pm    

g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    Was that a BSU joke?
Jimmy wrote:
The initial intent of this law was to curb hynotherapists.


To keep the Ohio riff-raff from crossing the border?


Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:05 pm      

Jimmy
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 1826


    Re: Was that a BSU joke?
g-gollin wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
The initial intent of this law was to curb hynotherapists.


To keep the Ohio riff-raff from crossing the border?


Not sure but that really was the initial intent of the law.


_________________

B.S. Delta State University
M.A. Universidad FLET
M.S. California Coast University
M.S. California College for Health Sciences
M.Div. Golden State School of Theology
Th.M./Ph.D. Bethany Divinity Seminary

Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:20 am    

Hungry Ghost
Senior Member

Joined: 19 Jan 2006
Posts: 1168


    
Here's a gentleman with the impressive title 'Chief Engineer and Fire Protection Services Manager at IUPUI'. It seems that he's in charge of the campus fire alarms. (Reminds me of another gentleman in Missouri.)

http://www.ehs.iupui.edu/ehs/staff_tom.asp

What makes him relevant to this board is that he sports a "B. S. Fire Protection Engineering (Knightsbridge University)"

I suppose that this is a position that doesn't really require a university degree and this guy is just kind of puffing himself up a little.


Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:56 pm    

g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    WTHR news story
Sandra Chapman, who ambushed St. Regis salesmen Bob Stefaniak and Ishaq Shafiq at a Chrysler plant near Indianapolis, has a story about WIDU and IUPUI: IU investigates diploma deceptions, July 9, 2007.


Quote:
...13 Investigates has found two cases at IUPUI where the who and Indiana University is investigating possible ethics violations over alleged Degrees of Deception.

"It's essential that people maintain academic integrity," said Dean Greg Lindsey from the School of Public and Environmental Affairs. "This is an important situation, and we're committed to investigating it and resolving it appropriately."

The first probe of the investigation is centered on Dr. Natalia Rekhter, a lecturer in the IU School of Public and Environmental Affairs. Hired in 2003 with a Masters from the University of Michigan, she teaches undergrad classes and ethics seminars. Rekhter also claims work with the US State Department.

On her website she declares a Ph.D. in Health Sciences from the "World Information Distributed University" in Belgium. The school touts a "royal decree" from its government, but national accrediting officials say it only means WIDU operators have set up a business, not a school. They have alerted IU officials to the fraud after receiving an overseas tip.

"WIDU, in my opinion, is a diploma mill. It does not have appropriate authority to issue secondary degrees from any jurisdiction, said Alan Contreras from the Office of Degree Authorization.

Rekhter reported the Ph.D. a year after she was hired at IU, but no one checked its validity. The dean says the degree wasn't necessary for her job.

"Clearly this person has to stop using that fake degree, or she will have no credibility, and the institution's reputation will be laughed at around the country," Contreras said.

"Our inclination is to try to clarify these matters as rapidly as possible, and we're committed to doing that because these things are serious," IU's Dean Lindsey said...

Tom Hulse is the Chief Engineer and Fire Protection Services Manager at IUPUI, a post he's held since 2001. The job required a bachelor's degree. Hulse provided one from Knightsbridge University in Sweden.

Hulse says he is not allowed to speak with 13 Investigates on camera, but he readily admitted the degree has no standing in the US saying, "We know it's not an accredited school. It's not a secret."...




Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:33 pm      


Author Message
g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    WTHR video now available...
...through a link on this page.


Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:37 pm      

Rich Douglas
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 738


    
George beat me to the link. We've known about Hulse and the fake degree from Knightsbridge, but didn't know that the position required a degree. That's gotta blow up in his face. If it does....


Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:47 am    

Rich Douglas
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 738


    
One other thing: the article notes that the fake Knightsbridge degree was from Sweden. Did Knightsbridge ever operate from there? (Not to my knowledge.) Perhaps the reporter confused it with Denmark. Or perhaps the guy with the fake degree did!


Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:49 am    

Bill Huffman
Senior Member

Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Posts: 365
Location: San Diego

    
Rich Douglas wrote:
One other thing: the article notes that the fake Knightsbridge degree was from Sweden. Did Knightsbridge ever operate from there? (Not to my knowledge.) Perhaps the reporter confused it with Denmark. Or perhaps the guy with the fake degree did!


Confusing Denmark and Sweden is understandable especially considering that the same someone confused academic achievement and academic fraud.


Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:16 pm    

Crisper
Senior Member

Joined: 28 Jul 2006
Posts: 537
Location: Toronto

    
Bill Huffman wrote:
Rich Douglas wrote:
One other thing: the article notes that the fake Knightsbridge degree was from Sweden. Did Knightsbridge ever operate from there? (Not to my knowledge.) Perhaps the reporter confused it with Denmark. Or perhaps the guy with the fake degree did!


Confusing Denmark and Sweden is understandable especially considering that the same someone confused academic achievement and academic fraud.


Considering the name of the place, and the language of "instruction," confusion about its domicile seems to be expected, and even encouraged.


_________________
Chris  
Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:56 pm    

uncle janko
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1936


    
Wowee goatee!

Here's the fine young cannibals in all they glowry:

www.widu.us/professors_since_2005 - 129k


_________________
Doing good, doing well, raising hope and raiding hell. Janko Shave.  
Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:17 pm    

uncle janko
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1936


    
On the Baptist Board, which offers as watchwords both "the truth shall set you free" AND "dress up games" (how the hell should I know?), this WIDUmaker appears in all his born-again glow-ry:

http://www.baptistboard.com/member.php?u=4332


_________________
Doing good, doing well, raising hope and raiding hell. Janko Shave.  
Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:24 pm    

uncle janko
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1936


    Anglo-Soviet Friendship Society sings My Old Kentucky Home
And the goatbagpipers chorus from ocean unto ocean:

www.americanuniversity.org.uk/faculty.asp


_________________
Doing good, doing well, raising hope and raiding hell. Janko Shave.  
Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:27 pm    

Eric
Member

Joined: 26 Jan 2007
Posts: 80
Location: California / England

    
If you separate WIDU - USA (West), what I call the fake WIDU run by good but confused bald guy with unrecognized DBA then you get not such a bad association.
It is generally assumed that Prof Evrenov didn't really want the WIDU USA - West to be part of the WIDU So Robert Hill is running it as a fake WDIU.
If you are from Armenia or Mongolia, Penza than legally WIDU has a stronger standing than the latest addition WIDU USA.


_________________
EricD FInstLM, GCGI, LCGI ...  
Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:45 pm    

Stanislav
Senior Member

Joined: 09 Feb 2006
Posts: 123


    
Eric wrote:

If you are from Armenia or Mongolia, Penza than legally WIDU has a stronger standing than the latest addition WIDU USA.


...or longer list of real academics who are also suckers for flashy titles.

EAI/WIDU would be just another Russian vanity "academy" if not for their nasty business of selling degrees.


_________________
Stanislav Ustymenko
PhD Candidate, Florida State University  
Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:04 am    

uncle janko
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 1936


    
Mongolia?


_________________
Doing good, doing well, raising hope and raiding hell. Janko Shave.  
Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:42 am    

Carl_Reginstein
Senior Member

Joined: 17 Jan 2006
Posts: 1354


    
uncle janko wrote:
On the Baptist Board, which offers as watchwords both "the truth shall set you free" AND "dress up games" (how the hell should I know?), this WIDUmaker appears in all his born-again glow-ry:

http://www.baptistboard.com/member.php?u=4332


He was "born again" in 1979. In his case, I think one birth was enough.....


Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:39 pm    

John Bear
Senior Member

Joined: 18 Jan 2006
Posts: 949
Location: California

    
"There's a sucker born again every minute."
--Not P. T. Barnum


Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:31 am    

True Patriot
New Member

Joined: 12 Oct 2006
Posts: 31
Location: Philadelphia, PA

    Hello Ladies and Gentlemen
Quote " Eric

If you separate WIDU - USA (West), what I call the fake WIDU run by good but confused bald guy with unrecognized DBA then you get not such a bad association. It is generally assumed that Prof Evrenov didn't really want the WIDU USA - West to be part of the WIDU So Robert Hill is running it as a fake WDIU. If you are from Armenia or Mongolia, Penza than legally WIDU has a stronger standing than the latest addition WIDU USA."

You people never cease to amaze me. There is an old saying that people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. I assure you I am not running an active university for WIDU in the United States. Professor Evreinov is still in charge and has returned to Russia on vacation until October.

And another thing, I have never sold a fake diploma or bought one either. I can assure you that everyone has a past, including many of you. I am sure the finest private investigator can dig up the dirt on any of you, if paid nicely for his services. Some of you may be under investigation at this very minute. Do you doubt what I am saying? I promise you I have the connections to get it handled.

WIDU will eventually receive recognition in the USA. I have a plan on helping Dr. Rekhter on her return through a university that is recognized by a MOE.

Sincerely,

Professor Robert Ray Hill, DBA, Academician


Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:06 pm    

g-gollin
Senior Member

Joined: 16 Jan 2006
Posts: 398
Location: University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    Re: Hello Ladies and Gentlemen
True Patriot wrote:
...alll sorts of stuff...


"I assure you I am not running an active university for WIDU in the United States."

But you're listed as the vice-president. Could you describe to us what you actually do for WIDU in that capacity please?

"I have never sold a fake diploma or bought one either.

Are you referring to a WIDU diploma as a "fake diploma" or are WIDU diplomas excluded from the class of diplomas that you do not sell?

"I can assure you that everyone has a past, including many of you."

If we didn't have pasts, but instead just popped into existence suddenly, we'd be violating conservation of energy, a basic law of physics. So of course we have pasts.

"I am sure the finest private investigator can dig up the dirt on any of you, if paid nicely for his services."

That sounds like a threat, an ungentlemanly thing for you to write.

"I promise you I have the connections to get it handled."

That also sounds ike a threat.

"WIDU will eventually receive recognition in the USA."

We can all recognize poison ivy by its leaf configuration and sheen. Is this the sort of "recognition" you mean? Perhaps the WTHR story put WIDU on the path towards that kind of recognition.

"I have a plan on helping Dr. Rekhter on her return through a university that is recognized by a MOE."

Do you think she will value your assistance? Perhaps you should point her towards "Saint Bernard University" with its Seborgan recognition.

"Professor Robert Ray Hill, DBA, Academician"

...just love them titles.
Reply
#2
I would like to point out that with all the gangs name calling and posturing and pontificating in this thread, they did not show one single bit of information or proof about the doings of any of the schools.  Nothing about tests, books, quality of staff or instruction, why? because they don't have the slightest clue as to what the schools do or require. They say this or that is a degree mill and wouldn't know a test or requirement for any of them. They know they don't like something and then make up the facts later on to show why.  Apparently a degree mill is proven once the gang doesn't like a school. They should try a new idea at DD, actually find out what a school does and requires before they post their dislike. This "I say you are guilty, now prove me wrong" stuff is getting very old and boring. It's a damn poor bait for the trap.

If the brave lads have the goods on some school they should show the details, if not, it's all just hype and noise (as usual) from the light weights too busy to do any discovery and research.
James
A.S., B.S., M.B.A.
Reply
#3
honestly...
that idiot Janko poking fun at Jews?
Now THIS is good.
And about the intended teacher...well, she ought to know better...come on!
It is my right to drive with one "international driver's license" purchased for $11 through the internet: most cops won't know it from their a$$ anyways, and i could back it up with a driver license from the USSR, british Hong Kong or other discontinued states.
However, i must not be surprised if one day someone catches up.
As well, many teachers list titles, but not the awarding university.
The clique gets frantic looking for the camera, but i spot "alternative" degrees routinely and don't call the press.
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply
#4
Randall Flagg Wrote:I would like to point out that with all the gangs name calling and posturing and pontificating in this thread, they did not show one single bit of information or proof about the doings of any of the schools.  Nothing about tests, books, quality of staff or instruction, why? because they don't have the slightest clue as to what the schools do or require. They say this or that is a degree mill and wouldn't know a test or requirement for any of them. They know they don't like something and then make up the facts later on to show why.  Apparently a degree mill is proven once the gang doesn't like a school. They should try a new idea at DD, actually find out what a school does and requires before they post their dislike. This "I say you are guilty, now prove me wrong" stuff is getting very old and boring. It's a damn poor bait for the trap.

If the brave lads have the goods on some school they should show the details, if not, it's all just hype and noise (as usual) from the light weights too busy to do any discovery and research.

Oh, hell no, they need not show proof of their claims. They just call this woman's employer and let the employer do the research and investigation. This is the typical John Bear stalking technique as he trained Gollin to ruin a person's career by placing them under the  microscope, even though it looked like a rifle scope when Gollin does it. (He just had his graphics mixed up.) Call the target's employer and contact the local news media, then let them sort it out.

It is typical John Bear, like when he had Good Morning America going to people's places of employment with a camera crew in two. That's the academic quality and ethics the gang of Bear, Gollin, Contreras and now Ezell prefer.
Reply
#5
Brian Crawford Wrote:
Randall Flagg Wrote:I would like to point out that with all the gangs name calling and posturing and pontificating in this thread, they did not show one single bit of information or proof about the doings of any of the schools.  Nothing about tests, books, quality of staff or instruction, why? because they don't have the slightest clue as to what the schools do or require. They say this or that is a degree mill and wouldn't know a test or requirement for any of them. They know they don't like something and then make up the facts later on to show why.  Apparently a degree mill is proven once the gang doesn't like a school. They should try a new idea at DD, actually find out what a school does and requires before they post their dislike. This "I say you are guilty, now prove me wrong" stuff is getting very old and boring. It's a damn poor bait for the trap.

If the brave lads have the goods on some school they should show the details, if not, it's all just hype and noise (as usual) from the light weights too busy to do any discovery and research.

Oh, hell no, they need not show proof of their claims. They just call this woman's employer and let the employer do the research and investigation. This is the typical John Bear stalking technique as he trained Gollin to ruin a person's career by placing them under the  microscope, even though it looked like a rifle scope when Gollin does it. (He just had his graphics mixed up.) Call the target's employer and contact the local news media, then let them sort it out.

It is typical John Bear, like when he had Good Morning America going to people's places of employment with a camera crew in two. That's the academic quality and ethics the gang of Bear, Gollin, Contreras and now Ezell prefer.

Maybe we could call the approach used by Bear as the shotgun method. He just shoots in the general direction and to hell with who gets hurt. Remember, the important thing is that he got his face on TV and more headlines for his next project. I wonder how many lives have been damaged or ruined by the man who ran LIAR / Greenwich? And for nothing more than to get more publicity for his next guide, book, consulting job or school.

I like money too, but not that much. A man has to look into the mirror and see more than deceit and makeup.
James
A.S., B.S., M.B.A.
Reply
#6
Randall Flagg Wrote:
Brian Crawford Wrote:
Randall Flagg Wrote:I would like to point out that with all the gangs name calling and posturing and pontificating in this thread, they did not show one single bit of information or proof about the doings of any of the schools.  Nothing about tests, books, quality of staff or instruction, why? because they don't have the slightest clue as to what the schools do or require. They say this or that is a degree mill and wouldn't know a test or requirement for any of them. They know they don't like something and then make up the facts later on to show why.  Apparently a degree mill is proven once the gang doesn't like a school. They should try a new idea at DD, actually find out what a school does and requires before they post their dislike. This "I say you are guilty, now prove me wrong" stuff is getting very old and boring. It's a damn poor bait for the trap.

If the brave lads have the goods on some school they should show the details, if not, it's all just hype and noise (as usual) from the light weights too busy to do any discovery and research.

Oh, hell no, they need not show proof of their claims. They just call this woman's employer and let the employer do the research and investigation. This is the typical John Bear stalking technique as he trained Gollin to ruin a person's career by placing them under the  microscope, even though it looked like a rifle scope when Gollin does it. (He just had his graphics mixed up.) Call the target's employer and contact the local news media, then let them sort it out.

It is typical John Bear, like when he had Good Morning America going to people's places of employment with a camera crew in two. That's the academic quality and ethics the gang of Bear, Gollin, Contreras and now Ezell prefer.

Maybe we could call the approach used by Bear as the shotgun method.  He just shoots in the general direction and to hell with who gets hurt. Remember, the important thing is that he got his face on TV and more headlines for his next project. I wonder how many lives have been damaged or ruined by the man who ran LIAR / Greenwich?  And for nothing more than to get more publicity for his next guide, book, consulting job or school.  

I like money too, but not that much.  A man has to look into the mirror and see more than deceit and makeup.

It all boils down to Ezell now providing credibility for three people who had none (Gollin), lost what they had (Bear) and trying to rebuild that which they had damaged themself (Contreras). Ezell using his former career to lend credibility to these three misfits is an embarassment to all FBI agents.
Reply
#7
Quote:It all boils down to Ezell now providing credibility for three people who had none (Gollin), lost what they had (Bear) and trying to rebuild that which they had damaged themself (Contreras). Ezell using his former career to lend credibility to these three misfits is an embarassment to all FBI agents.

well...
let it be said i couldn't tell this mr. Ezell apart from Sammy Davis Jr if i saw him, but what is all the fuss about? Ok, the man once belonged to some federal police corp...like tens of thousands other men. Gravy train of public money if you ask me, but whatever.
He ran a minor (yet thoroughly broadcast & planned ) "operation" against degree mills...here police runs "operations" with names & details so dreadful, you'd think Stephen King or Mario Puzo are middle school dropouts...in the end much smoke is blown and little results brought back, but public money got to keep coming and illusion makes up for the lack of results.
It's not like Bear, Gollin etc were mentored by Husserl and are therefore an authority on phenomenology...they just brought in some (retired?) cop trying to lend some spurious credibility to their cheap MLM styled money-making schemes.
A validation coming from the fact they shamelessly associated with gay teen porn king/medical quack Thomas Chip White (owner of degreeinfo ), twisted "massage parlour" expert Gregg des Elms and "financial mismangement & lawsuit " expert Gus Sainz, etc.
Hell, quacks & phoneys even got to sell "honorary degrees" from the holy see, in a room where the papal throne is, letting believe these phoney degrees to be church degrees...
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply
#8
ham Wrote:
Quote:It all boils down to Ezell now providing credibility for three people who had none (Gollin), lost what they had (Bear) and trying to rebuild that which they had damaged themself (Contreras). Ezell using his former career to lend credibility to these three misfits is an embarassment to all FBI agents.

well...
let it be said i couldn't tell this mr. Ezell apart from Sammy Davis Jr if i saw him, but what is all the fuss about? Ok, the man once belonged to some federal police corp...like tens of thousands other men. Gravy train of public money if you ask me, but whatever.
He ran a minor (yet thoroughly broadcast & planned ) "operation" against degree mills...here police runs "operations" with names & details so dreadful, you'd think Stephen King or Mario Puzo are middle school dropouts...in the end much smoke is blown and little results brought back, but public money got to keep coming and illusion makes up for the lack of results.
It's not like Bear, Gollin etc were mentored by Husserl and are therefore an authority on phenomenology...they just brought in some (retired?) cop trying to lend some spurious credibility to their cheap MLM styled money-making schemes.
A validation coming from the fact they shamelessly associated with gay teen porn king/medical quack Thomas Chip White (owner of degreeinfo ), twisted "massage parlour" expert Gregg des Elms and "financial mismangement & lawsuit " expert Gus Sainz, etc.
Hell, quacks & phoneys even got to sell "honorary degrees" from the holy see, in a room where the papal throne is, letting believe these phoney degrees to be church degrees...

Good description of what Bear and others have hyped to help promote themselves, Ezell, and their joint money making ventures.  According to Bear and Ezell they were the MILL BUSTERS.
Now for a look see at the truth.

"As a special agent (Accountant) he investigated violations of White Collar Crime, including Diploma Mills."
Ezell Link:

"While it was successful during its tenure, the task force was closed in 1991 when its head, Allen Ezell, resigned."
--CNN.html
CNN Link:

"The FBI probably could do more, but with 9/11 and the terrorism threat, the landscape, the priorities have changed," said Allen Ezell, who was the  CASE AGENT for DipScam."
--Spokesman Review--2003

"During DipScam, from 1980-1991, we purchased 40 degrees, executed 16 Federal Search warrants, had 19 indictments returned by the Federal Grand Jury, convicted 21 persons, and over 40 schools dismantled."
--Allen Ezell--Education Law Consortium


So we don't have the director of the FBI here, or, a high ranking member of the FBI. We have a lead case agent who worked white collar crime and did this DipScam as a part of that job. In 11 years 19 indictments were handed down, or 1.72 indictments per year. In 11 years 21 persons were convicted, or 1.9 persons per year. A total of 40 degree mills were closed, or 3.6 per year closed.

We have a case agent (agent in charge) working part time making almost no impact at all in the glut of degree mills out there. I'm sure that many more closed from poor business skills than were closed because of the  work done by Bear and Ezell.  Again we have mice roaring like lions.  In fact far more mills were created during these years than were closed by the efforts of the Mill Busters.

Bear and Ezell are just touting themselves to help their various business efforts.  They failed to make even the slightest dent in the number of degree mills. With technology advances, the millers easily kept two steps ahead of the self-promoting pair.  Once again a lot of noise and not much action.
James
A.S., B.S., M.B.A.
Reply
#9
Quote:So we don't have the director of the FBI here, or, a high ranking member of the FBI. We have a lead case agent who worked white collar crime and did this DipScam as a part of that job. In 11 years 19 indictments were handed down, or 1.72 indictments per year. In 11 years 21 persons were convicted, or 1.9 persons per year. A total of 40 degree mills were closed, or 3.6 per year closed.

i know or spotted more public figures with "alternative" degrees myself than they probably did during their crusade.

Quote:'m sure that many more closed from poor business skills than were closed because of the work done by Bear and Ezell.

Operations of that kind come & go on a daily basis. Even long time players like Trinity College & Warnborough changed skin a dozen times over these years.

But the general public can be easily fooled by catchy headlines and some factoids blown up to sounds just impressive. The fact they hired ( or paroled against info ) John Bear (mastermind behind a few "unaccredited" DE/DL operations ) to be the resident insider tells all.
A.A Mole University
B.A London Institute of Applied Research
B.Sc Millard Fillmore
M.A International Institute for Advanced Studies
Ph.D London Institute of Applied Research
Ph.D Millard Fillmore
Reply
#10
ham Wrote:
Quote:So we don't have the director of the FBI here, or, a high ranking member of the FBI. We have a lead case agent who worked white collar crime and did this DipScam as a part of that job. In 11 years 19 indictments were handed down, or 1.72 indictments per year. In 11 years 21 persons were convicted, or 1.9 persons per year. A total of 40 degree mills were closed, or 3.6 per year closed.

i know or spotted more public figures with "alternative" degrees myself than they probably did during their crusade.

Quote:'m sure that many more closed from poor business skills than were closed because of the  work done by Bear and Ezell.

Operations of that kind come & go on a daily basis. Even long time players like Trinity College & Warnborough changed skin a dozen times over these years.

But the general public can be easily fooled by catchy headlines and some factoids blown up to sounds just impressive. The fact they hired ( or paroled against info ) John Bear (mastermind behind a few "unaccredited" DE/DL operations ) to be the resident insider tells all.

A lead case agent is not a supervisory agent according to my sources. That just means he was assigned the case and had some help. Smile

I never realized Ezell was so unemportant after all the hype, you'd think he was a Deputy Director of the FBI.Tongue
Reply


Forum Jump:


Users browsing this thread: 1 Guest(s)