Warnborough Legit, Clones Whine

[Don Dresden]

Panties are in severe twist mode at DD.  One of their long time favorite whipping boys, Warnborough College, has earned legit status in the UK.  And for good measure, WC announced it at DD with everything but an "in your face": WARNBOROUGH: Accreditation Update

This is the operation of Brenden Tempest-Mogg that has hopscotched across states, countries and continents for decades seeking a friendly forum to conduct legit business.  Looks like he finally found a winning formula, although not quite at the original level or configuration.

For many years T-M offered university degrees through Warnborough University.  The current configuration is called Warnborough College, a change in nomenclature of significance in the UK.  Only a university may offer a degree there, while a college may offer courses, diplomas and certificates, but no degrees.

As such Warnborough College is what the British term a "further education institution" as opposed to a "higher education institution."  Sort of kinda almost pret' near like an American junior college or city college, except no associate degrees.  Your diploma at a "further education institution" can get you into a "higher education institution" where you can finish your final year and earn a degree.  (Remember basic British bachelors degrees are 3-year, not 4-year like American.  You then may "top up" your plain vanilla bachelors degree with a fourth year, and thus earn an honours degree (e.g., BA Hons).)

ASIC is "an embryo accrediting body" according to the ASIC accreditation handbook.  Presumably this means it just started (i.e., embryonic) and not one that accredits embryos.  More here:

Following widespread and increasing concern over the behaviour of some colleges in the private sector, which largely cater for international students, the Government recently identified the need for a more rigorous system for accrediting colleges involved in recruiting international students. Accordingly, a proposal for the mandatory accreditation of education providers, wishing to bring international students into the UK, was included in the Government’s Command Paper “A Points Based System: Making Migration Work for Britain”.

In response to this proposal, the Quality Study Abroad Network (QISAN) together with a number of professional practitioners with considerable experience in recruiting international students for universities, further education colleges and schools/EFL colleges and in establishing collaborative arrangements between overseas institutions and UK partners, decided to establish an embryo accrediting body, namely the Accreditation Service for International Colleges (ASIC).

http://www.asic.org.uk/Documents/ASIC%20Handbook.pdf

ASIC is a new organisation offering accreditation to UK colleges.

http://ukinslovenia.fco.gov.uk/resources...stitutions

However, important point, ASIC is a legit (government recognized, approved, certified kosher) UK accreditation agency, and it indeed has accredited Warnborough.  

So blow it out, Gus, Bear, Contreras, and the rest of you swarming naysayers.  And thumbs up to the Brits for promoting accessible, legit education rather than protecting the wealthy education cartel by limiting competition.

[ham]

There has never been question that Warnborough, or at least some of its many components, were at some time operating some kind of 'real school' legally, for example offering summer language schools or vocational courses to third world students...a far cry from claiming their degrees were from a 'university' one could use to become an academic or to convert into other traditional degrees...
What will happen to the 'university degrees' granted by the 'university' that Warnborough spokesmen haste to claim ceased in 2006? By the way THAT university was the continuation of ANOTHER that had ceased even earlier...

[ham]

Is Warnborough College a university? I'm sure the UK has hundreds of colleges with which Parliament takes little direct interest.

You know...
when you have to waste more time to explain what exactly a higher education provider is, as opposed to what is not, or to what many think it should be...well...
One thing is for sure: different incarnations of Warnborough folded, ceased operations, underwent complete overhaul, whatever...each time prospective clients were told it was as good as it could get...but it was always better the next...last time it was because of ISO9001...

http://warnborough.edu/degree_courses_programs.htm

Do they offer so many doctorates?

What is the difference between

http://warnborough.edu

http://www.warnborough.ie/

http://www.warnborough.ac.uk/ ?

It seems only the .UK bit enjoys some sort of accreditation to run vocational and other courses, but all call themselves Warnborough...

I especially love:

Warnborough College (UK) is certified for ISO9001:2008 standards by [COLOR="Red"]UKAS (United Kingdom Accreditation Service) [/COLOR]through its accredited certification body, DAS. The scope covers: 'Design, Delivery and Assessment of Accredited Education and Training Services Worldwide'. The 'Tick & Crown' logo provides visual assurance of the College's Quality Management Systems.

Not to be mistaken for http://www.ucas.ac.uk/, the real deal...
Hmmm
Some gullible buyers may be tricked into thinking UKAS is UCAS...

[Herbert Spencer]

I am eagerly awaiting CHEA Director George Gollin's comments on this matter.

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...997#p52117

WTF would Gollum know about this or anything else?  He probably is still searching for his daughter's lost earring.  Unless it shows up in a google search he'll never find it.

ASIC is a legit British accreditation agency, so CHEA has no choice but to "recognize" it.  It's no different than BAC or any other official UK government agency.  

The real question is whether ASIC recognizes Gollum and/or Klempner, a couple of elderly wankers meddling in things they don't understand.

[Gabe]

Well, at least they have an attractive woman posing (or not) as a student or faculty member:

The woman in the "Home Study and Upskill" photo:

http://www.warnborough.ac.uk/

and seen again on the "View Courses" page (middle photograph):

http://www.warnborough.ac.uk/?page=ViewCourses

[Albert Hidel]

Well, at least they have an attractive woman posing (or not) as a student or faculty member

You might be on to something there.  Attractive women seem to evoke hostile responses from the clones.  If Warnborough had used some of Chip's tailpipe boy "models" maybe the reaction would be more appreciative.

That Goose really is a bitter little troll, isn't he?  Did he even read the original post past the first line?  What do those old threads and rantings by Gay Al he dug up have to do with the current situation?  Nothing, near as I can see.  

That makes two of the clones' old favorites that have been accredited recently, the other being Anthony Al-Jamie's Anaheim University (formerly Newport Asia Pacific).  It just shows you that in the private sector the curve for establishing a sufficient financial and academic foundation for accreditation often can be relatively long, stretching over decades.  Stomping on fledgling schools early in the game as the clones advocate serves little purpose other than to restrict entry into an already very competitive marketplace.  Seeing how they squeal even when legit accreditation finally is achieved really shows that their true motivation is not to maintain quality but rather just to piss on people who don't have the ability to fight back.  

[Fort Bragg]

Wouldn't it be nice if the DI/DD peckerheads just said congratulations and left it at that. They just can't shut up.

[Warnborough]

Wouldn't it be nice if the DI/DD peckerheads just said congratulations and left it at that.  They just can't shut up.

The DI/DD 'experts' are quick to judge and criticise. Contreras, Gollin, Brown and others did their best to discredit Warnborough to the accreditation bodies and the media.  We have seen the evidence of their deviousness.

What these 'experts' can't undertand is that all institutions are unaccredited before they are accredited. But being unaccredited does not mean they are 'mills' or 'worthless'. Any institution that makes the effort to be accredited should be applauded and not condemned.

In our case, we have been subject to a vicious and long 'campaign to discredit' us. Considerable misleading, false and libelous information has been promoted by these 'loose cannons'. We would have more respect for them if they spoke with authority - but they have none other than self-appointing themselves as 'experts'.

[Warnborough]

Is Warnborough College a university? I'm sure the UK has hundreds of colleges with which Parliament takes little direct interest.

You know...
when you have to waste more time to explain what exactly a higher education provider is, as opposed to what is not, or to what many think it should be...well...
One thing is for sure: different incarnations of Warnborough folded, ceased operations, underwent complete overhaul, whatever...each time prospective clients were told it was as good as it could get...but it was always better the next...last time it was because of ISO9001...

http://warnborough.edu/degree_courses_programs.htm

Do they offer so many doctorates?

What is the difference between

http://warnborough.edu

http://www.warnborough.ie/

http://www.warnborough.ac.uk/ ?

It seems only the .UK bit enjoys some sort of accreditation to run vocational and other courses, but all call themselves Warnborough...

I especially love:

Warnborough College (UK) is certified for ISO9001:2008 standards by [COLOR="Red"]UKAS (United Kingdom Accreditation Service) [/COLOR]through its accredited certification body, DAS. The scope covers: 'Design, Delivery and Assessment of Accredited Education and Training Services Worldwide'. The 'Tick & Crown' logo provides visual assurance of the College's Quality Management Systems.

Not to be mistaken for http://www.ucas.ac.uk/, the real deal...
Hmmm
Some gullible buyers may be tricked into thinking UKAS is UCAS...

In the UK there has always been Warnborough College since 1973, and it did not close down. There is a difference between 'closed down' and 'relocating'. ASIC accreditation relates to Warnborough College (UK) only.

Warnborough University was incorporated in Ireland in 1997, and changed it name in 2006 to Warnborough College (Ireland) to meet Irish government requirements.

Simply, there are two Warnborough Colleges: one in the UK(accredited), and one in Ireland (undergoing accreditation). Both are separate legal entities.

ISO is internationally recognised by governments, and more and more colleges and universities are applying for ISO certifications. Having ISO in place is a plus for any accreditation, since it illustrates commitment to Quality Management Systems.

[Fort Bragg]

In our case, we have been subject to a vicious and long 'campaign to discredit' us. Considerable misleading, false and libelous information has been promoted by these 'loose cannons'. We would have more respect for them if they spoke with authority - but they have none other than self-appointing themselves as 'experts'.

Xenophobia at its finest. If it doesn't match the American mold, it's worthless. For Brown, if it doesn't match the Australian mold, it's worthless.