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03-12-2010, 05:15 AM
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Not the legal kind judges can agree need to stay in, but the illegal kind any judge would outlaw. It has been shown in past cases that judges have seen selling a degree a criminal act. Blot out the outright degree sellers, life experience scams, etc. on Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the problem is gone.
Surely the combined power of the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. can compel judges to request, show significant evidence of harm, and compel such three entities to stop making them a National Security Issue.
I believe Google does reserve the power to regulate at least a little of the internet. Google China does. If the lawsuits come, just dismiss and begone on issues of National Security as judges already do on behalf of Google and Co.
Poof, Gone!
Top down measures are the first step. If the second kind of phony remains, as it will, they'll be more ambiguous compared to tens of thousands of other such legitimate colleges. They'll be forced to turn into competency based approaches or whatever, maybe even allowing them to pass and fail, as it seems some of the more ethical operators do, and it will actually be a legitimate, legal, degree.
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RespectableGent Wrote:Not the legal kind judges can agree need to stay in, but the illegal kind any judge would outlaw. It has been shown in past cases that judges have seen selling a degree a criminal act. Blot out the outright degree sellers, life experience scams, etc. on Google, Yahoo, MSN, and the problem is gone.
Surely the combined power of the NSA, CIA, FBI, etc. can compel judges to request, show significant evidence of harm, and compel such three entities to stop making them a National Security Issue.
I believe Google does reserve the power to regulate at least a little of the internet. Google China does. If the lawsuits come, just dismiss and begone on issues of National Security as judges already do on behalf of Google and Co.
Poof, Gone!
Top down measures are the first step. If the second kind of phony remains, as it will, they'll be more ambiguous compared to tens of thousands of other such legitimate colleges. They'll be forced to turn into competency based approaches or whatever, maybe even allowing them to pass and fail, as it seems some of the more ethical operators do, and it will actually be a legitimate, legal, degree.
Sounds like censorship to me. If search engines like Google want to do it they can. But I would ask what constitutes "selling" a degree and having legitimate degrees. Are there fine lines? Should we rely on what the accredidation mafia of Alan Contraras or Gollin and the like, to tell us what belongs on Google?
Also the system works pretty good as it is. You can google any college or University and see what is accredited.
Finally its self defeating to ban what you would describe as "Diploma Mills" from web searches since if any employer or whoever wants to check credentials and tries to search for a school and comes up with nothing than they cannot possibly verify someone's credentials.
One other note, if you google receipes for crystal meth you can find all kinds of stuff there. You want to google Child Porn its out there too. I doubt that search engines would be that enthusiastic in censoring sites that are controversial.
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03-14-2010, 12:33 PM
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Eh, we all know which ones need to go.
The people who go after the legal ones are more likely to get sued themselves, and slapped with penalties and fines when the judge rules in the college's favor. Just get rid of the novelty diploma sites, counterfeit diploma sites, life experience sites, instantdegrees, speedydegrees, et all., and everyone in the education sector will be more or less happy.
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03-15-2010, 05:14 PM
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To combat the second kind with substandard classes and programs, the government can send mass mailings to hospitals, airports, and civil engineering firms, to make sure that their employees are licensed. Licensure requires extensive licensing exams to ensure that the person is fluent in the material.
Any reputable hospital or airport would ensure that its employees are licensed, anyway. Public schools also require licensure to teach.
There, the "diploma mill" problem is solved in a single thread on the internet. No mouth-breathing CHEA shills need be required to dictate your choice of education.
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03-17-2010, 08:55 AM
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You'd be hard pressed to find a job without a license. Here's a list of licensed professions, most of such licenses being already required to legally practice in any given state:
Accountant Licenses
Acupuncture
Alcohol and Other Drug Treatment Program Licensure and/or Certification
Architect Licenses
Architecture
Athletic Training
Audiology
Auto Repair and Smog Inspection Services Licenses
Barbering and Cosmetology Licenses
Building and Landscape Contractor Licenses
Certified Dental Assistants
Certified Histological Technicians
Certified Public Accountants
Certified Shorthand Reporting
Chiropractic
Clinical Laboratory Technicians
Clinical Laboratory Technologists
Clinical Laboratory Technology
Consumer Services
Pilot License
Continuing Education Provider Licenses
Court Reporter Licenses
Creative Arts Therapists
Cytotechnologists
Dental Anesthesia/Sedation
Dental Hygienists
Dental Licenses
Dentistry
Dentists
Dentists Assistants and Hygienists Licenses
Dietetics-Nutrition
Electrical and Appliance Repair Licenses
Engineering
Engineering and Land Surveying Licenses
Funeral Industry Licenses
General Licensing Information
General Licensing Information
General Licensing Information
Guide Dog Trainer Licenses
Health Care
Interior Design
Land Surveying
Landscape Architect Licenses
Landscape Architecture
Licensed Clinical Social Worker (LCSW)
Licensed Master Social Worker (LMSW)
Licensed Practical Nurses
Licenses for Boxers, Trainers, Referees, Judges and Gyms
Licenses for Geology, Geophysics, Engineering Geology and Hydrogeology
Licensing for Registered Nurses, Midwives and Nurse Practitioners
Marriage and Family Therapists
Massage Therapy
Medical Physics
Medicine
Mental Health Counselors
Mental Health Practitioners
Nurse Practitioners
Nursing
Nursing Home Administrator Licenses
Occupational Therapists
Occupational Therapy
Occupational Therapy Assistants
Occupational Therapy Licenses
Ophthalmic Dispensing
Optometrist Licenses
Optometry
Paramedic Licenses
Pest Control and Fumigation Operator Licenses
Pharmacist Licenses
Pharmacists
Pharmacy
Pharmacy Establishments
Physical Therapist Assistants
Physical Therapist Licenses
Physical Therapists
Physical Therapy
Physician Assistant Licenses
Physician Assistants
Physician, Surgeon and Optician Licenses
Physicians
Physicians, 3-year limited license
Podiatry
Psychoanalysts Midwifery
Psychologist and Psychologist Assistant Licenses
Psychology
Public Accountancy
Public Accountants
Real Estate Appraiser Licenses
Real Estate Brokers and Sales Staff Licenses
Registered Professional Nurses
Respiratory Care Licenses
Respiratory Therapists
Respiratory Therapy
Respiratory Therapy Technicians
Security Agency and Related Licenses
Social Work
Specialist Assistants
Speech Pathologist and Audiologist Licenses
Speech-Language Pathology
Teacher's Certificate
Therapy-related Licenses
Veterinarian
Veterinarian, Veterinary Hospital and Veterinary Technician Licenses
Veterinary Medicine
Veterinary Technician
Vocational Nursing and Psychiatric Technician Licenses
I'm not too worried about "diploma mill" graduates becoming a threat to society.
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