Vinny123 and DETC doctorates

[Little Arminius]

Vinny123 again droning on about the utility of DETC doctorates.

Degreediscussion thread

Does anyone really care anymore?

[RespectableGent]

I don't.

Neither does the Department of Education. After discussing such quality issues for several hundred years everyone just seems blue in the face.

However, I've always maintained that DETC schools are much higher quality than Regionally Accredited shitholes like Excelsior who sell advanced degrees to people based on an easy 120 question test. Can you find a DETC school as shady as that? I can't.

[ham]

Re: Acceptance of DETC PhD(Doctorates)

Postby Hungry Ghost on Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:53 pm

    nosborne48 wrote:Maaaan...I dunno...

    A Ph.D. is a pure research degree. It is the ticket of admission into the tight little world of academia. I suspect that the value of the degree lies largely in the relationships the graduate student forms with his adviser and department head and the professional connections he makes with other established scholars in his particular field.


Right. And on who those advisers were, on what the graduate's research specialty was, on what the university's reputation is in that particular specialty, and so on.

    Frankly, I wonder whether a DETC Ph.D. would be of any real use whatever. I just don't think that it would be taken seriously.


Personally, I don't think that any of the current DETC schools would be truly credible research doctoral schools. Maybe marginal or low-end at best.

The problem with the DETC doctoral programs ISN'T their DETC accreditation. That's almost totally irrelevant.

The problem with the DETC schools awarding research doctorates is that none of the current DETC lineup seems to host any visible research activity.

Compare the DETC doctoral programs with the doctoral programs that the New York Regents accredits.

For example, take the American Museum of Natural History's brand new (accredited in late 2009) PhD program in Comparative Biology. It probably doesn't have any graduates at this point either. But it's going to be highly credible, even internationally prestigious, right out of the gate.

Why? Not its accreditation. Most people haven't even heard of NY Regents accreditation.

What anchors the AMNH's place in the biological scheme of things is its 100+ year history of international class research prominence. Everyone on earth who is interested in the subject already knows what this thing is and what it does.

The idiot above wants us to believe he's an expert in...comparative biology...great...sounds like a fun-tah-steak conversation topic at the tavern tonight, eh?
It goes over my little head...I am stuck with the guy who claimed online he worked undercover for the Kremlin and made six figures as a nuclear midwife or whatever...

Scholars and professionals need to start encountering these schools' names in the news, technical literature and at conferences.

This idiot wants us to know how he spends week-ends...Ham goes to the strip club and the tavern...

Three pages of nonsense...
Again, the good old debate about 'prestige' dressed up in so many words by people who have no 'prestigious' degrees at all...
Recognized in academia?
Hell, UNISA required reassurances to the effect my big, B&M State university was NOT a degree mill...go figure...another institution asked me to document CARDIFF UNIVERSITY was accredited...please...a NACES evaluator told me he never heard of that big, state, B&M university...another evaluator mixed it up with another with a similar name...

[Ben Johnson]

Dayson is seriously an asshole. DETC doctorates have never pretended to be research degrees. Some R/A schools offer DBAs and PsyDs without even dissertations and many require no original research. Dayson is a pro at beating down strawmen.

[Geoff Vankirk]

Dayson is seriously an asshole.  DETC doctorates have never pretended to be research degrees.  Some R/A schools offer DBAs and PsyDs without even dissertations and many require no original research.  Dayson is a pro at beating down strawmen.

But it's okay, Ben, they have Regional Accreditation. It's the gold standard of accreditation.

[Little Arminius]

VINNY: Aren't you (Levicoff) the team leader of the humor-writing team of DL Truth?  

Let us stick to the facts. Previously YOU have taken hostile comments about me from DLTRUTH and posted them on another thread on this forum in order to attempt to disparage me, which actually had the opposite effect. So what is apparent is the extent you will go to undermine another poster when you are unable to support your assertions. What is really comically pathetic about your extrapolating such disgusting comments from DLTRUTH and transposing them to this forum is that they also stated very hostile comments about YOU as well, which you attempted to conceal.

So you use those base, disgusting comments against me and I don't use them against you. So will the real CON please stand up and be counted!     

DD thread

I actually don't think that the observations noted here about Vinny123 could in any way be construed as "base, disgusting comments." We could make such comments, as Vinny has certainly provided more than enough fodder, however the key point is that we haven't ... yet. If Vinny really wants to hang himself on a cross, we'll be more than happy to provide the nails.