Levicoff unleashed a broadside at some DD newbie blowing smoke about his fundamentalist religious beliefs. (like we need his opinion on who is going to go the Hell and burn for an eternity) The newbie, Damon Rambo, really went after our old friend Jimmy Clifton and blasted anyone else that dared post until Lev showed up. At first I thought that this guy couldn't be serious but apparently he is ... Add him to the list of dicks posting at degreediscussion. Now let's see if he has any balls by coming back at the PhD-turned-trucker Steve Levicoff or will he just take the verbal abuse and STFU?

DD thread

Rambo's bio

http://www.detc.org/theaccrediting.html#act

The former Pacific Western University, now known as California Miramar University, has been accredited by DETC.

Another kick in their shriveled scrotums for Bear and his clones!  The DETC is rapidly rendering the pervert posse and wiki wankers obsolete by accrediting all their age old whipping boys.  Maybe now the sphincter boys will have to start stalking the decadent RA "Gold Standard" universities that don't actually provide educations, instead of trying to force small and startup programs out of the marketplace.

http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/index.html
Jordan Maxwell is a famous 'truther' and researcher in matters of religion etc, at times referred to as 'ufologist'. He appeared in countless books and videos.
Now Maxwell is much better than fringe truthers like Marrs because he doesn't use his informative videos to push Jesus or some other identifiable agenda, and most of what he says I know is true for having learnt it elsewhere in school.
There is no wikipedia article on him.
All one can find is a page referring to a row of deleted articles
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jordan_Maxwell
where a bunch of likely keyboard sociopaths, deviants and other 'funny internet people' consort and commune in order to reach a verdict.
Sounds like a bunch of teenagers on behaviour medications to me, rather than the supreme court.

The usual usernames more attuned to online gaming than else...
read on..
Promoted and demoted ten times to -hear this- as online moderators of Wikipedia...wow...that's the life I wish I had...
Those are the outcasts with facial twitches sitting in the dark in your local pub, the appointed butt of all jokes...but -much like a super hero- they morph into their virtual persona...the sheriff is in town...

No wonder Gollin, Bear and other 'experts' love Wikipedia...[/quote]

George Brown will look into why University of Southern Queensland has dropped its DETC accreditation. That's great news as George is plugged into the Who's Who of Australian higher education especially as it relates to distance education. The bigger question is why George Brown, the preeminent distance education expert in Australia, has to first find out about such big news from a goddam Internet forum? Is this an aberration and an oversight by George or is he not the expert he has held himself out to be?

DD link

http://www.higheredconsulting.com.au/

Speaking of junk pundits at degreeinfo and degreediscussion, see who's here:

LINK

Quote: Mole Ltd. University Louisiana. Created as a joke, and to prove how easy it is to start a university, by entrepreneuer C. Denver Mullican, this school granted exactly two degrees (doctorates, to Mullican's two dogs--whose characters, he claims, were greatly improved by the credentials).  Still, he tells us that he received numerous letters from people offering money for the degrees, including $200 from a man in Malaysia who offered to sell the degrees and cut Mullican in for $100 each.  He sent the money back.  Thus if you run into anyone claiming a degree from this university, and they're not a dog, something fishy is almost certainly going on.

Fuck you, Denver.
http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showpost.ph...ostcount=4

Hey dickless, did you know you post on a forum operated by a gay boy pornographer?  Do you like looking at pictures of men having sex with boys?  Do you like having your ISP and personal information in the possession of someone who does?

Some things to consider the next time you log in to a "discussion" board that is owned and operated by a gay boy pornographer.  Could your computer be compromised by malicious code to conduct illegal activity?

Quote:FTC Sues, Shuts Down N. Calif. Web Hosting Firm

In an unprecedented move, the Federal Trade Commission has taken legal steps to shut down a Web hosting provider in Northern California that the agency says was directly involved in managing massive global spam operations.

Sometime on Tuesday, more than 15,000 Web sites connected to San Jose, Calif., based Triple Fiber Network (3FN.net) went dark. 3FN's sites were disconnected after a Northern California district court judge approved an FTC request to have the company's upstream Internet providers stop routing traffic for the provider.

In its civil complaint, the FTC names 3FN and its various monikers, including Pricewert LLC -- the business entity named on the 3fn.net Web site registration records. The FTC alleges that Pricewert/3FN operates as a "'rogue' or 'black hat' Internet service provider that recruits, knowingly hosts, and actively participates in the distribution of illegal, malicious, and harmful content," including botnet control servers, child pornography and rogue antivirus products. 3FN also operates by the names APS Telecom and APX Telecom.

In an interview with Security Fix, FTC Chairman Jonathan Leibowitz said the agency's action targets one of the Web's worst actors.

"Anything bad on the Internet, they were involved in it," Leibowitz said. "We're very proud, because in one fell swoop we've gone after a big facilitator of some of the utterly worst conduct."

The FTC chairman confirmed that this was the first time the agency had sought and been granted an order to shut down an Internet service provider.

Efforts to contact 3FN via phone, instant message and e-mail were unsuccessful. I will update this post in the event I hear back from them.

The FTC alleges that even though Pricewert officially is registered in Oregon, its principals and staff are located outside of the United States.

"Pricewert markets its services to domestic and overseas criminals by placing ads in the darkest corners of the Internet, including forums set up to facilitate communication between criminals," the FTC complaint said. (The image on the right is a screen shot of an ad for 3FN's services I found running on verified.ru, one of the busiest Russian online forums dedicated to identity theft and the sale of stolen identities).

"Pricewert hosts very little legitimate content and vast quantities of illegal, malicious, and harmful content, including child pornography, botnet command and control servers, spyware, viruses, trojans, phishing related sites, illegal online pharmacies, investment and other Web-based scams, and pornography featuring violence, bestiality, and incest," the FTC said.

The FTC also said that not only was 3FN hosting sites promoting illegal activities, but that its owners and operators were directly facilitating and brokering those businesses. The commission references several Internet chat logs in which the head of programming for Pricewert/3FN is observed directly participating in the creation and configuration of a botnet.

"The customer informs Pricewert that he controls 200,000 bots and needs assistance configuring the botnet. The head of Pricewert's Programming Department agrees to assist, but complains upon learning of the size of the botnet that it will require a lot of work," the FTC's complaint alleges.

Botnet experts I have spoken with over the past eight months have found that 3FN housed many of the command and control networks for "Cutwail," one of the world's largest spam botnets. As late as mid-April, Joe Stewart, a botnet expert and director of malware research at SecureWorks, tracked nearly a dozen Cutwail control networks hosted at 3FN.

Indeed, in February, Security Fix began tracking malware samples from Cutwail and its cousin Pushdo that traced back to 3FN, dating back to at least October 2008. These reports were listed at ThreatExpert.com. A copy of that record -- with citations from malware analysis reports is available at this link here (Microsoft Excel document) or in HTML format. The Internet addresses colored yellow in those charts belong to 3FN.

Among the most popular sites on 3FN's hosting servers was botmaster.net, the home of an extremely popular service and software product used to blast out massive amounts of blog comment spam.

Mark Rasch, a former cyber crime prosecutor for the Justice Department and a principal at the Arlington, Va., based Internet Law Group, said the FTC's authority gives it the power to shut down companies that appear to be engaged in unfair and deceptive practices, whereas criminal law enforcement agencies have a much higher standard for proving wrongdoing in order to convince a court to shut down an ISP.

"It could be that other law enforcement organizations are using the FTC as a front in order to obtain evidence for later criminal prosecutions," Rasch said. "What's interesting about that approach is that in order for these guys to get out from under this court order, they're going to have to show that they've taken steps to clean up their act. But if there is a criminal investigation ongoing against 3FN, then anything their operators say in trying to convince a court to lift the order can and will be used against them later."

The FTC's Leibowitz declined to say whether other law enforcement agencies were investigating 3FN, but said his agency was assisted by several organizations, including: cyber investigators at NASA; Spamhaus; The Shadowserver Foundation; the University of Alabama at Birmingham; The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children; and Symantec Corp.,

Interestingly, the Russian blogosphere is beginning to light up about 3FN's closure. This blog post notes that large numbers of 3FN customers were forced to move their sites to other providers. Meanwhile, the 3FN operators are telling customers that they will be back online in another location within hours or days.

Christopher Barton, lead research scientist at McAfee, said a number of 3FN domain name servers already have popped up at new locations online.

"The rats are running," Barton said.

Leibowitz said his agency would continue to pursue other ISPs that "provide a haven for Internet criminals."

"This is a signal that we're going to go after you, and you're not going to be able to hide behind the shroud of the Internet and be immune from enforcement action," Leibowitz said.

A signed copy of the FTC's complaint is available here (PDF).

John Bear has been keeping everyone posted on the status of the legislation to restore the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary and Vocational Education. Only Peter French, an Aussie, seems to have any interest in this issue that Bear believes in so strongly. Too bad, I really wonder what the likes of Gus Sainz, Bill Huffman, Contreras, Poimen, Jack Tracey, Steve Foerster, Levicoff, Tenured Prof, Gollin and the others think about this arcane DL issue?

If Uncle J were still around, you know that he would have offered his opinion (along with some of that self-serving Carpathian drivel he was famous for) and moved the thread along.




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Where is CHEA director George Gollin (George D. Gollin, George Dana Gollin) when his employer UIUC is in chaos with scandal after scandal being reported?  Finally something happens that really is George Gollin's business, so why isn't he sticking his big hook nose into it like he does with everybody else's business?

Quote:U. of Illinois Lobbyists Had Access to Student Records

The University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign has cut off the access its lobbying branch had to the student information database, The News-Gazette reported. A university spokesman said that there was no reason for those who lobby for the university to have immediate access to student records. Some university officials have worried that the access allowed lobbyists to see and share information about students -- possibly in violation of privacy protection laws. The university has been facing a scandal over the last week, following reports in the Chicago Tribune about the way the university admitted students based on their political connections, sometimes over the objections of admissions officials.

Quote:UI disables lobbying branch's access to student info
By Christine Des Garennes
Wednesday, June 3, 2009 9:30 AM CDT

URBANA – The University of Illinois has restricted access to its student-information system following a News-Gazette report that found legislators attempted to influence the admissions process on campus.

The office of government relations, or the university's lobbying branch, was suspended from having access to the UI's Banner system, which includes student information.

The latest action is one of a few taken by the university after the recent disclosure of the "Category I" list, which the UI used to track applicants on whose behalf admissions inquiries were made by trustees, legislators, alumni and others.

On Monday, the university announced it was suspending use of the Category I list. And a task force of university and nonuniversity personnel will be conducting a review of the practice this summer.

Restricting some employee access to the student data, or the Banner system, is "consistent with not having any kind of Category I tracking going on. There's not a reason for them to have that access," said UI spokesman Tom Hardy.

"The need for Banner access can be reassessed once the admissions task force has completed its work," he added.

"Anyone who inquires about applicants will be directed to the appropriate admissions office, where they can access the same assistance and resources available to all," Hardy said.

In February of this year, a UI administrator sent an e-mail to Chancellor Richard Herman outlining concerns about possible violations of the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act, known as FERPA, the federal law that protects the privacy of student records. It applies to all schools that receive funding from the U.S. Department of Education.

Although FERPA provides certain rights to the students, including limiting the release of personally identifiable information, there are exceptions, said Carol Malmgren, registrar for the Urbana campus.

"One (exception) is school officials with a legitimate educational need can access without a students' expressed written consent," Malmgren said.

UI Associate Provost Keith Marshall, who oversees the admissions office, wrote that he was concerned Terry McLennand, the UI's assistant director of state relations, was sharing too much information with legislators and the families of students the UI was tracking, according to documents obtained by The News-Gazette under the Freedom of Information Act.

"And this is not the first case this year," Marshall wrote. "Terry should not share this information with anyone because 1) it is counterproductive to our efforts and gives people ammunition to use against us, 2) it's a violation of FERPA to share that information, and 3) estimated ranks are often inflated and require expertise he does not possess to interpret them. If I had my druthers, we would take Banner access away from Terry and his staff."

McLennand told The News-Gazette on Friday that he hadn't seen Marshall's e-mail or talked to him about the complaint, but added that "it's possible I have made a mistake along that front."

On Tuesday, Hardy said the "situation was brought to attention of people in government relations, and they apologized for it."

When asked if the UI is conducting an investigation into possible FERPA violations, Hardy said the university does not comment "on what, if any, legal advice has been sought or provided. The campus works with FERPA issues on a daily basis and maintains compliance."

Malmgren, the UI's registrar, said she has found that when student information is released without approval, in most cases the information is released inadvertently.

Malmgren's office conducts several different kinds of training on FERPA and conducts annual reviews of who has access and what kind of access is allowed to certain units and personnel.

Two of the five staff members in the government relations office had student system access, and that access only pertained to recruiting and admissions data, according to Malmgren.

The Office of Executive Inspector General, an agency of the Illinois governor, would investigate any complaint about violations of the confidentiality of student records, said Gilbert Jimenez, the agency's deputy inspector general of investigations.

Created in 2003, the agency is charged with investigating fraud and abuse in state government, including the state's public universities. It must receive an official complaint to launch an investigation, but a law recently approved by the state Legislature may allow it to initiate investigations on its own, he said.

Jimenez said Tuesday that he could not confirm or deny the existence of any investigation or whether a complaint had been filed.

If the inspector general's office received a complaint and an initial review indicated FERPA may have been violated, the agency would refer the case to federal authorities, he said.

A complaint of that nature might also involve a violation of university procedures or the state Privacy Act, even if FERPA were not compromised, he said.

In that case, the inspector general's office might complete the investigation itself, and if the complaint was founded, the agency would issue a final report to the "ultimate jurisdictional authority" – in this case the UI Board of Trustees, he said.

Asked if any university employees violated any university code or the state privacy act, Hardy said he was not aware of any. Hardy also said he was not aware of anyone filing a complaint with the inspector general's office.

Documents obtained by The News-Gazette under the Freedom of Information Act showed that legislators and trustees used their influence with UI administrators to win admission for favored prospective students.

The 2008-09 Category I list contained 163 names, and more than 100 of those students were admitted.

UI officials contend that only about a dozen students were admitted because they were on the list, and there's no evidence that any unqualified student was accepted.

Jimenez said he could not "prejudge" the reports about the UI's shadow admissions process.

"We don't know what went into this whole package of conduct that allegedly involved special treatment," he said. "It could encompass an awful lot of behaviors."

Quote:Blago-Style Admissions
June 1, 2009
It's not selling a Senate seat, but the reputation of Illinois as a state where the politically influential get benefits to which they aren't entitled may be extended to college admissions. A series of articles starting Friday in the Chicago Tribune exposed the extent to which less qualified but politically connected applicants have been admitted to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign -- sometimes over the objections of admissions officials.

The president of the University of Illinois spent Friday rushing to explain that, while he would attend to any problems in the admissions process, the preferential treatment some of his university’s well-connected applicants receive is common to “every highly selective institution.” But to the scale it happens at Illinois? Some college admissions experts say no.

According to a report the Tribune published Friday, the University of Illinois maintains an exclusive list of well-connected applicants who, apart from their backing by powerful players in the university community and Illinois politics, might otherwise prove lacking in qualifying credentials. Members of this list – dubbed “Category 1” on internal correspondence – on average have lower ACT scores and were ranked lower in their high school classes than other admitted applicants. Yet 77 percent of Category 1 students are given the green light to the university while the admission rate for average applicants is just 69 percent.

“This is an eye-opener to say the least,” said David Hawkins, director of public policy at the National Association for College Admission Counseling. “I think handing the admissions office an offer they can’t refuse is an all too common practice. Whether they are written or just understood, most schools have something like this. It’s not a new issue, but the scale and detail of [what the Tribune uncovered] seem to be perhaps without precedent.”

Of course other universities are not without admissions controversies. The University of Florida's College of Medicine is one example, where last spring an applicant was admitted by the dean without the backing of the Medical Selection Committee, which is widely out of line with standard practice. The advantaged applicant is the son of a major Republican fundraiser. But the case at the University of Illinois, admissions experts say, tops them all.

The Tribune combed through 1,800 pages of documents obtained through a Freedom of Information Act request, and discovered e-mails between admissions officials and university leadership who candidly discuss the admission of students – a relative of former Gov. Rod Blagojevich’s convicted fund raiser, Tony Rezko, was one – who, though under-qualified, were being “tracked” by university trustees, state lawmakers or other people the college seemed eager to please.

The Tribune found several cases of university leaders forcing the admission of these Category 1 students, sometimes even over the protests of admissions officials. Most of the more than 500 applicants who landed on the priority list in the past five years received backing from state lawmakers -- the Tribune's Sunday article revealed veiled threats from politicians who sought admission for favored applicants -- or university trustees. Children, neighbors, friends, vacation buddies – tickets to the circle of influence were pretty liberally granted by some of the power players the Tribune identified. Rep. Angelo Saviano even advertises help with college applications in his constituent newsletter.

Rezko’s relative was slated to be rejected, but a message from Illinois President B. Joseph White compelled admissions officials to change the verdict. In an e-mail sequence about another applicant, Keith Marshall, associate provost for enrollment management, wrote to Chancellor Richard Herman: “[h]ope we don’t take too big of a hit for putting him in ahead of more qualified students.”

Other correspondence indicates under-qualified students flagged as Category 1 are sometimes admitted late in the cycle to stave off raised eyebrows at the applicants’ high-caliber high schools. After a trustee expressed interest in a student who had already been denied admission, an admissions official wrote: “Please make sure that Dr. Herman knows that we will move this student in May or June. She has terrible credentials at a good school so we need to move her in as late as possible.”

Of course, said Barmak Nassirian, associate executive director in external relations for the American Association of Collegiate Registrars and Admissions Officers, it is no secret universities sometimes argue that admission of academically subpar students benefits the institution in other ways – athletes and children of big potential donors fit that mold. Without conceding justification for that practice, Nassirian said bending the rules for no utilitarian purpose is worse. At that point, he said, “you wonder what the institution gains.”

Still, Nassirian said what is happening at Illinois is nothing new; it’s the university’s handling of inevitable outside pressure that is “just so over the top.”

“The fundamental pressures are not really unique to this one institution. We recognize that at public and private universities there are various quarters from which pressure for preferential treatment can come,” Nassirian said. “In general, the way you handle these kinds of pressures is with symbolic action without actually bending the rules. It’s mostly for appearances.”

Nassirian gave an example: As a matter of courtesy, he explained, a high-level university official might meet with the well-connected applicant and give him a private tour of the campus. “And then deny admission because he’s not qualified.”

“I can’t really think of other cases where children of the mighty and powerful actually gain admission to the top institutions [based on status],” he said. “I wouldn’t be nearly as offended if it was just the case that they were stroking someone’s ego.”

There is also the obvious consequence of more qualified applicants losing their spots at the university, and the university compromising its integrity by going back on stated policies, Nassirian said.

“It is unethical. It is unethical even in the case of private institutions, where a private donor is involved. It violates stated policies,” Nassirian said. “In a public institution, it’s even more egregious. The expenditure of public funds should not be predicated on influence of public officials.”

What’s more, Hawkins said, a university that breaks its ethical code and admits under-qualified students is likely “shooting itself in the foot.” The university sets high admission standards for a reason, and disregarding them not only jeopardizes integrity, it can hurt the college’s academic standing.

The potential impact on reputation is not lost on Illinois faculty members, according to the e-mails the Tribune dug up. Nor is it confined to the undergraduate college. Paul Pless, assistant dean of law school admission, wrote in one of the uncovered e-mails that he was concerned a student being forcibly admitted with a GPA and LSAT score well below the 25th percentile mark of the incoming class would hurt the law school’s status.

The law school would have to “admit at least 2 additional students to ensure there is no negative impact on the profile, and I can’t say for certain that even that will be enough,” Pless wrote. “Since we are so late in the process it will be unlikely that I will be able to find any single candidate that would have both the LSAT and the GPA to counteract [name redacted] numbers. By admitting [name redacted] we are putting in jeopardy the goal of increasing our median GPA to a 3.5.”

Despite concerns like this, the Tribune report shows university officials offering preferential treatment of well-connected applicants as if it were simply business as usual, possibly oblivious to any breach of ethics. But for Paul Schmitt, student trustee for the Urbana-Champaign campus, the secrecy surrounding influence-peddling by fellow trustees suggests they knew what they were doing was wrong.

“If there is any reason for fumigation of university leadership, this story is it,” he said.

Schmitt said the institution has to “do something to remove the Blagojevich taint that’s associated with our system of governance here.” The first step to that end, he continued, is thoroughly vetting all university appointments made by the former governor and installing new university officials who will reverse the culture of corruption being perpetuated in Illinois.

That, Nassirian said, might be difficult: “It might not be entirely within the power of the university leadership to completely alter the culture there. If significant players at the state level view themselves as entitled to special treatment,” he said, that is tough to change. “But they have the power to at least try to resist it, and they should.”

Hawkins advises they start immediately, as this story is likely “going to have legs for the long haul.”

“Illinois has been in the news quite a bit for corruption, and this story continues because of that,” Hawkins said. “Plus this is an absolutely dreadful time to have this story break, primarily because so many Americans are struggling to realize the dream of higher education. We’re talking about how much work needs to be done in terms of improving access, and this kind of story sets us back a great bit. It suggests that money talks and power talks.”

President White said in a statement Friday he would stress to admissions officials they should not succumb to outside pressure when granting entry into the university. Where there are problems in the admissions process, he said, it is something the university “can and will correct.”

— Kate Maternowski

Quote:DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH AND HUMAN SERVICES

FOOD AND DRUG ADMINISTRATION

DISTRICT OFFICE ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER
550 W. Jackson Blvd.
Suite 1500
Chicago, IL 60661
(312)353-5863

DATE(S) OF INSPECTION
01/29, 30 & 31/2003

NAME AND TITLE OF INDIVIDUAL TO WHOM REPORT IS ISSUED
TO: Melanie J. Loots, Associate Vice Chancelor

STREET ADDRESS
601 E. St. John Street, 400 Swanland MC-304

CITY, STATE AND ZIP CODE
Champaign, Illinois 61820

DURING AN INSPECTION OF YOUR FIRM, WE OBSERVED:

Failure to adequately monitor INADs submitted to FDA/CVM as follows:

1.In the role of sponsor submitting INAD [redacted] to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the university has not reviewed the protocol used by their Investigator in this study.

2.In the role of sponsor submitting INAD [redacted] to the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, the university has repeatedly failed to adequately monitor related research to assure the investigator complied with government regulations and the study protocol. This deficiency has resulted in the following:

a.Sale of 386 investigational hogs for slaughter for food since April 2001 without prior authorization from FDA.

b.Unauthorized rendering of a pig subject to INAD [redacted] on or about 9/27/2002.

To the degreeinfo clown Tom H.

It has been a long time since I even bothered to look in at DLFilth.com. It has gone from the home of the academic phonies to something that is close to libelous. Who are these people that I don't even recognize their screen names? It is just an endless diatribe of scurrilous comments that have nothing to do with education.
Maybe it is time that we do something about all these lies and hatred.



Former moderator Greg DesElms used to caution members to avoid mentioning the phonies but he's long gone while they are still around. Instead of ignoring them maybe we should document their posts and inform the appropriate authorities and seek to shut them down permanently.

Hey!
Please tell me what a lie is...
Maybe Thomas Chip White, the owner of the scum site you devote your precious sixfigure income time (I imagine that someone as smart as you are must earn that much, right? ) , is NOT the gay teen pornographer who films gay teen 'boys' cramming the entire living room up their love hole? Is that the lie?
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=602
Too bad Thomas Chip White himself thinks it's authentic.
You are posting on a site funded with the sweat of the love hole of pretty gay 'boys'...what a paragon of virtue, eh Tom?
What does your conscience say about Thomas Chip White peddling his own gay teen porn in very graphic terms on queer boards?
Should the authorities be alerted about Chip as well, or do you have a mental block about that?
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=607137
Read, Tom, read, great conservative American or whatever impersonation you are in today...

Maybe John Bear (John Klempner) did not operate several unaccredited schools he now calls degree mills?
Too bad THE TIMES documents otherwise...
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=285
and John Bear himself refers to his blatant mill MILLARD FILLMORE as "a lark"
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=82
As 'pedlar of bogus degrees', the press claims John Bear raked in in excess of $50.000 IN NINE MONTHS from the sale of phoney L.I.A.R degrees in 1974
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=33
Hey Tom...it seems you are right at the watering hole of prominent 'academic phonies'...
Did you know, Tom, that your leader Thomas Chip White has no university degree, yet claims to "train physicians" in the questionable Gerson enema therapy?
http://www.sawilsons.com/index.html
Did you know he operated a now forfeited medical business (without a university degree)?
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=39
Can you define academic phony for me Tom, please?
Is all the above fine with your morality detector, Tom?

Hey Tom...
I bet you know about Gus Sainz ' financial odyssey, but do you know pundit George Brown once operated his own 'questionable school'?
http://www.dltruth.com/showthread.php?tid=37

PFFT!