Interesting discussion at DI about Warren National University possibly becoming a candidate for accreditation.

degreeinfo.com thread

Rich Douglas made some insightful comments while Bill Huffman, a known cyberstalker and all around douchebag, showed his true colors by expressing concern that former KWU (WNU's predecessor) students may somehow benefit. Huffman really is one weird individual. With all the characters at DI and DD, he sometimes gets forgotten. Does he have any type of real DL backgtound, or was his stalking campaign against Derek Smart enough to earn his position at DI and DD?

Flame War Follies

...And is he rich?  

If so, many a vaunted RA school becomes an instant diploma mill.  At least diploma mills whore out on an equal opportunity basis.  These RA schools only put out for the offspring of the rich and famous.

Latest RA whore on the take: NEASC-accredited Wesleyan University in Middleton, CT.  What's a little shoplifting when daddy can fund a performing arts center?  Caught in the act by Radar:

Quote:Call to Wesleyan University admissions office on behalf of Jake Quiznos, an imaginary sub sandwich scion:

This is John Taylor. Thanks for getting back to me.
So, I wanted to talk to you about Mr. Quiznos' visit.

I don't know what [REDACTED] told you ...
She mentioned his son's desire to speak with a student who has a high-name visibility?

Yes, to gauge how he's handled that.
I can try to arrange that, but once most of our students are here, the name thing doesn't really matter much. What are some of his academic interests?

I think poetry. He's had a somewhat difficult time adjusting to his father's celebrity, and I think he works it out through poetry.
Right. Does he play a sport? Does he play music?

Not really. He doesn't do too much in terms of extracurriculars. He's latched onto the poetry thing in the last year or so.
And which high school does he attend?

He's at Beverly Hills High. But he's had some issues there. He's moved around schools before.
Okay. I'm assuming that Jake and his father will do an info session and then the tour?

I don't know if [REDACTED] told you, but Mr. Quiznos travels with a bodyguard at all times. I think he's concerned about that being conspicuous on a tour.
I handle VIPs that come to visit, so I can usually give them a tour myself. We can avoid the crowd and have him being seen with a bodyguard.

Are there any other VIP options I could relate back to Mr. Quiznos?
Well, it would just be me handling their day. So whether it's a private info session just with the two of them—with the info session, it gets pretty crowded, so they could sit in the back and they wouldn't stand out. When Mr. Spielberg came to visit, I gave him the tour myself. We handle it very discreetly. In terms of sitting in a class, I can find things for Mr. Quiznos to do while Jake does his own thing, unless he wants to meet with a few faculty members and not really do the whole "sit in on a class" while he's here.

Mr. Quiznos has a bit of agoraphobia—he doesn't like being in large spaces with a lot of people. So I think the auditorium thing might not work out, but certainly if you can arrange any one-on-one meetings with professors, I think they'd both enjoy that.
So Jake has the issues, or Mr. Quiznos?

Mr. Quiznos does, but he wants to go along with Jake and keep an eye on him, make sure he's behaving himself. And also to learn more about the school as well.
So you're talking mostly poetry and creative writing?

More poetry than anything else. Are there any big poets at Wesleyan he could meet?
There are some who teach poetry. [REDACTED] is the [REDACTED ENGLISH PROFESSOR TITLE], and she's very good at that. She can tell Jake a little about that. Depending on the day he visits, I can see if Mike Roth, our president, is available.

If that were the case, how much time would he be able to get with the president?
Mike likes to spend about 20 to 30 minutes with a student and a parent. He's very good—he's lived in L.A. before, he's a faculty member himself. He was at the Getty Museum as a senior researcher and he was president of the California College of the Arts.

Oh, Mr. Quiznos is a big fan of the arts. He donated the Quiznos Performing Arts Center in Minneapolis and is interested in any artistic support, so they'd have plenty to talk about.
And I think Mike would really appreciate speaking about that. The question will be about lunch, and whether Mr. Quiznos wants to sit in on the lunch with Jake, or have his own private lunch, if I arrange for Jake to have lunch with a student.

You're talking about the student with a well-known parent?
Yeah, I can do that discreetly and see if someone would be willing to do that.

Yeah, I think probably Mr. Quiznos could let Jake handle it on his own. The only issue would be some dietary restrictions. And you don't have a Subway on campus, do you—that's the only specific issue related to them.
No, we don't.

Good, it's the sort of thing that would bother him.
We have a student dining facility. What are some of Jake's dietary restrictions?

No gluten, no dairy, no peanuts. He's a vegan as well. But I know Wesleyan has a lot of vegan and vegetarian students.
Right. I think he could find something to eat at the campus center. If they were to have separate lunches, is there anyone in particular Mr. Quiznos would like to have lunch with?

If he could meet another dean, or whoever else is high up on the list there. He's very interested in higher education, and on this tour we're trying to get him to meet as many presidents and deans as possible.
Okay.

Mr. Quiznos is also interested in having Jake meet some extraordinary students. He's into the idea of Jake seeing role models—maybe a student-body president, or a star athlete. Might that be available to be set up?
Sure, we can easily do that. I can find a dynamic student for him to have coffee or tea with.

Is there anything else you could tell me—maybe what you did with Spielberg—that I could report back to Mr. Quiznos?
This is the kind of school where students can go to find themselves. It doesn't matter who you are once you're here. So if you're looking for some anonymity, the students don't care what your background is.

So his last name won't matter once he's there?
No. If he wants to make it matter, then it's up to him, but for most students—we do have affluent families who are here, and half the time you can't single them out. We're not that kind of school. We have many affluent students who don't even have a car on campus, even though they could. It's one of those places where students are very conscious about the influences of wealth, and they don't want that to be a factor to their college experience here. We're very well known as a campus where you don't know who's who, because students don't care. If he's looking for some anonymity, he could probably find it here.

Jake's had some emotional troubles throughout his life because of his last name, and I think Mr. Quiznos would appreciate knowing that, once he's there, he'll be treated like everyone, and there's not going to be any special gratuity extended to him because of his last name.
Yeah, and the faculty doesn't care about these things. They care about what your intellect is and what you're making of yourself. You don't have a choice of what family you're born into, and people are cognizant of that here. I think he'll get a glimpse of that when he comes here.

His SAT scores are a bit lower than the median there. You don't have a minimum cutoff, do you?
We don't. It depends on what he or she can bring to the class.

A 1,620 out of 2,400. It's a bit below the median, and his grades have been uneven throughout his high school career. And the other serious thing is, he had some shoplifting issues about a year and a half ago that haven't come up since then, but they were over the course of several months. Is it worth his applying—the low grades, the low SATs, the shoplifting, do those things disqualify him from the start?
I don't think they necessarily disqualify him off the bat. Is this someone who's able to show redemption? The admissions process is a very holistic process. We look at you from your grades to your recommendations to what you've shown that you're capable of doing. We don't see it as a one-factor kind of thing. If you want to say, "I want a second chance to prove that I'm a better person than what my records show," then I think they're willing to look at you in that sense and say, "Okay, we're gonna give you this chance."

I know most of his poetry centers around that. Is that an indication of someone trying to get better to you, and might even be worth using in his application—his shoplifting poetry?
Right. I wouldn't even spend too much time on that now until he sees the school. It shouldn't be what's stressing him now. It should be what top schools he wants to apply to. His application would have to show redemption and remorse and say he really wants to take that next step in life. We can certainly talk about that more during, since it'll be a private tour.

He doesn't talk about it much—he's in therapy, but it's mostly in his poetry. You mentioned the English professor earlier. Might he be able to fax her some of his poems beforehand and then meet up with her to discuss them?
Sure, sure. You can send everything to me and I can make sure she gets them, or you can send them directly to her. If he'd like to share that with her, he can certainly do that.

Great. I think he's been looking for a mentor figure for his poetry, and like I said, it's pretty much exclusively about the shoplifting incidents and what that means to him.
That makes sense. Well, I think I have everything. If you can give me a date next week, we can go back and forth and put something together.

Thanks very much.

In DLTruth recently, Quinn Tyler Jackson hoisted someone named Beckwith as an anonymous reviewer of a paper by an infamous crank James Harris, with Beckwith and Jackson allegedly being in a "closed list".

But what Quinn didn't say was that this "eccentric" Beckwith "character" was also actively involved in attempted FRAUD to get Harris' mathematical paper published.

On February 29, 2008, Quinn didn't remember the facts about Beckwith.

On sci.math, on February 29,2008, Quinn had an exchange with someone named Mensanator.

Check it out yourself, by searching "beckwith" in sci.math in Google Groups. Or don't, and just read what I verbatim copied:

Mensanator wrote:

> > This is well understood (at least from what I've read).
> > What apparently is not well understood is how this protocol
> > should be applied to cases of outright fraud such as perpetrated
> > by Harris & Beckwith. Some, such as myself, feel the journal
> > was within it's rights to yank the paper although it was wrong
> > to lie about the reasons and not admit it's incompetence.

On Feb 29, 5:35 pm, "Quinn" <quinn_jackson2...@yahoo.ca> wrote:

> Um, Mensanator -- please refresh my recollection on this?

> As I recall, the paper in question was submitted to the original (yanking)
> journal under one name. Beckwith, if I recall, was, indeed one of those who
> reviewed it, and *later* added his name to it. (I don't know what his
> contribution was to the content, if any.)
> So what exactly are you on about? I'm not being snide -- I'm just
>old and
>brandy-soaked, and believe the details are a bit hazy.

Mensanator replied:

"That's my understanding also. Beckwith has admitted here
he added his name to the paper in order to enhance its
acceptance by other journals, not the original journal in
question."


So, I ask, this reviewer Beckwith should be trusted by Quinn? Does Quinn dare to continue referring to Beckwith as one of the reviewers in Quinn's infamous "closed list", with Beckwith having doctorates in physics and mathematics?

The DLTruth folks here shouldn't trust Quinn, when only this past February Quinn was reminded that BECKWITH ADMITTED TO FRAUD!

Quinn conveniently leaves out, in the recent threads in DLTruth, the attempted fraud of one of the alleged "closed list" reviewers, despite the fact that Quinn was reminded of it recently.

Poor Quinn. Poor intellectually dishonest Quinn. Poor ethically-bereft Quinn Tyler Jackson.

Poor poor poor poof poor Quinn Tyler Jackson.

I have often wondered if higher education is involved in a conspiracy to keep individuals either from attending or using degrees from an unaccredited institutions. Are the supposed degree experts in distance education getting paid kick backs from institutions for perpetuating the myth involving distance education? You be the judge.

http://www.ricoact.com/ricoact/nutshell.asp

Sincerely,

Dr. Robert Ray Hill aka True Patroit
RobertHill20@yahoo.com

It appears that the Degree Discussion Gang under the direction of Gus Sainz is now attacking a distinguished and successful Christian businessman and entrepreneur in Oregon by the name of Tony Marino.

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...php?t=5564

I had the opportunity to speak with Tony today and he told me he has directed his people to remove any reference to his PhD from the web. This came at the request of Alan Contreras. Now please let me enlighten everyone here. Mr. Marino is also a published author and successful talk show host.

http://www.americawebworks.com/

http://marketingantics.com/

http://www.christiantimesnewsletter.com/

http://www.oregonvotes.org/may202008/gui...rin_t.html

http://www.blueoregon.com/2008/05/hd35-meet-docto.html

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/lifecoach

http://www.internationalepublishersassociation.com/

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:http...timate.htm

Tony told me personally he welcomes the opportunity for anyone to debate him in person, and that goes for graduates of traditional academic degrees. He stated to me he has lost more money than many people will earn in their lifetime. He wasn't bragging, yet wanted to challenge those who wish to criticize his background and experience. More importantly, he wants to debate the real issues facing America and Oregon today.

I have decided to personally support his campaign and would like to invite many of you to do also. http://VoteTonyMarino.com/. Would you join me in supporting Tony for Congress. You never know, he may might someday pass the deciding vote to stop the witchhunt in academia. Thank you for allowing me to introduce Tony. Have a Nice Day!

Sincerely,

Dr. Robert Ray Hill aka True Patriot

Just when you thought the foul mouthed lesbian offspring of UIUC physics professor George Gollin (George D. Gollin, George Dana Gollin) had given up on her little public window into the demented Gollin household, she's back again after a five month respite.  

Nothing too filthy this time, but given her genetic makeup, something sordid, vulgar, crass, or terminally vapid is bound to appear eventually.

Quote:Saturday, May 31, 2008
      ( 2:26 AM ) ...  

paper chef hat

back in illinois for a limited time:
hail the size of softballs!
tornado city!
meteorologist Ed is super excited
i just got cheese in my keyboard.

time to pack!

Jury awards $11.3M over defamatory Internet posts

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2006...case_x.htm

It is time that we begin to fight back regarding the negative attacks in the degree forums, specifically those published by Professor George Gollin of the University of Illinois Urbana. I am very tenacious and will not give up until idiots like Gollin him are stopped from attacking innocent people. Freedom of speech does not give someone the right to conduct this kind of witchhunt. By the way, I have Gollin's links to the UIUC website saved in Acrobat PDF in case UIUC decides to take them down. Everyone needs to begin to save all the defamatory posts using Acrobat PDF so they have them for future use.

http://www.physics.uiuc.edu/people/Gollin/

http://web.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/pigeons/

http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/carrot_cake.html

http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/ch..._cake.html

http://www.hep.uiuc.edu/home/g-gollin/ka...r_fry.html

What in the Hell does Carrot Cake, Birthday Cake and Stir Fry Kangaroo have to do with Education or Physics?

Sincerely and Respectfully,

Dr. Robert Ray Hill aka True Patriot
RobertHill20@yahoo.com


By Laura Parker, USA TODAY
A Florida woman has been awarded $11.3 million in a defamation lawsuit against a Louisiana woman who posted messages on the Internet accusing her of being a "crook," a "con artist" and a "fraud."
Legal analysts say the Sept. 19 award by a jury in Broward County, Fla. — first reported Friday by the Daily Business Review — represents the largest such judgment over postings on an Internet blog or message board. Lyrissa Lidsky, a University of Florida law professor who specializes in free-speech issues, calls the award "astonishing."

BEWARE OF BLOGS: Courts are asked to crack down on bloggers, websites

Lidsky says the case could represent a coming trend in court fights over online messages because the woman who won the damage award, Sue Scheff of Weston, Fla., pursued the case even though she knew the defendant, Carey Bock of Mandeville, La., has no hope of paying such an award. Bock, who had to leave her home for several months because of Hurricane Katrina, couldn't afford an attorney and didn't show up for the trial.

"What's interesting about this case is that (Scheff) was so vested in being vindicated, she was willing to pay court costs," Lidsky says. "They knew before trial that the defendant couldn't pay, so what's the point in going to the jury?"

Scheff says she wanted to make a point to those who unfairly criticize others on the Internet. "I'm sure (Bock) doesn't have $1 million, let alone $11 million, but the message is strong and clear," Scheff says. "People are using the Internet to destroy people they don't like, and you can't do that."

The dispute between the two women arose after Bock asked Scheff for help in withdrawing Bock's twin sons from a boarding school in Costa Rica. Bock had disagreed with her ex-husband over how to deal with the boys' behavior problems. Against Bock's wishes, he had sent the boys to the boarding school.

Scheff, who operates a referral service called Parents Universal Resource Experts, says she referred Bock to a consultant who helped Bock retrieve her sons. Afterward, Bock became critical of Scheff and posted negative messages about her on the Internet site Fornits.com, where parents with children in boarding schools for troubled teens confer with one another.

In 2003, Scheff sued Bock for defamation. Bock hired a lawyer, but he left the case when she no longer could afford to pay him.

When Katrina hit in August 2005, Bock's house was flooded and she moved temporarily to Texas before returning to Louisiana last June. Court papers that Scheff and her attorney David H. Pollack mailed to Bock were returned to Pollack's office in Miami.

After Bock didn't offer a defense, a Broward Circuit Court judge found in favor of Scheff. A jury then heard Scheff's arguments about damages. Pollack did not seek a specific amount for the harm he says Scheff's business suffered.

"Even with no opposing counsel and no defendant there, $11 million is a huge amount," says Pollack, adding that Scheff is considering whether to try to collect any money from Bock. "The jury determined this was a significant enough issue. It's not just somebody's feelings are hurt; it's somebody's reputation is ruined."

Bock says that when she moved back to her repaired house over the summer, she knew the trial was approaching but did not know the date. She says she doesn't have the money to pay the judgment or hire a lawyer to appeal it. She adds that if the goal of Scheff's lawsuit was to stifle what Bock says online, it worked.

"I don't feel like I can express my opinions," Bock says. "Only one side of the story was told in court. Nobody heard my side."

John Bear and George Dana Gollin are Really Stupid

Our resident self-appointed distance education experts John Bear and George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) just discovered that Hoyer's Homeland Security University web site is "back up."

Should any of us tell him and his replacement in training George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) that the web site was never down? Don't they claim to be distance learning degree investigators who know all and see all? Hoyer's web site says it is a "project" and these two rocket scientists can't read.

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...php?t=5603

What happened to George Gollin (George Dana Gollin, George D. Gollin) claiming he is good at connecting the dots?

The combination of regional accreditation and program accreditation has long been hailed (in some places, at least) as the vaunted "gold standard" against which all others are to be measured.

But at West Virginia University (NCACS, AACSB) the MBA program continues to be an embarrassment, even by the standards of the lowest degree mill.

First there were the allegations that WV governor's daughter received an "executive" MBA after completing only 36 of the required 48 units.

Now it has been revealed that she is but one of seventy (70) such MBA grads with bogus degrees.

Quote:A report presented to West Virginia University’s board Friday, by embattled President Mike Garrison, says that there are questions about 70 M.B.A. degrees awarded in the same executive M.B.A. program in which the governor’s daughter received a degree she didn’t earn. While the latest report would suggest that the politically connected degree recipient didn’t receive such special treatment after all, as has been widely believed at the university, there are few signs that the latest news is ending the controversy. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reported that the panel that investigated the inappropriate degree did not find the widespread problems the president found. Mountaineers for Integrity and Responsibility has turned over a petition with 1,240 names calling for Garrison’s ouster. But the university board on Friday, while stating that it continues its review of the scandal, issued a statement saying that it found “no evidence” that Garrison was involved in awarding the degree that set off the furor.

A goofy name, but ACCSCT-accredited (which means legit but RA schools still might not accept credits for transfer), and offering online programs in Entertainment Business (BS, MS) and Education Media Design & Technology (MS)

Quote:Full Sail Announces University Status
Mar 25, 2008 6:42 PM

Full Sail Real World Education in Orlando, Fla. has been awarded University status by the Florida Department of Education’s Commission for Independent Education (CIEICU) and its national accrediting body, the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT). Effective immediately, the new name of the institution will be Full Sail University.

“We appreciate all of the support from the educational community and the entertainment industry that has led to this milestone in our history,” says Full Sail University president Garry Jones. “As Full Sail University, we will continue to grow and carry on the tradition of empowering students with the knowledge necessary to pursue their educational and career goals, through our long-standing tradition of accelerated, real-world education and immersive, project-based learning.”

With the help of Florida Lt. Governor Jeff Kottkamp, Full Sail made a formal announcement on campus and unveiled the new branding for the University. The latest addition to the campus is a 1,780 linear-foot-long Hollywood-style back lot featuring 18 different facades and highlighted by a 25 foot-wide electronic LED display and 150-foot-long Times Square–style ticker. The display and ticker, dubbed the Full Sail Network (FSNET) Message Center, features student projects, campus news, and local and international graduate accomplishments. Additionally, FSNET will highlight clips from Full Sail's nationally-televised morning talk show, The Daily Buzz, which shoots live from Full Sail Soundstage 1B each weekday.

Also present was Full Sail Recording Arts graduate, Charity Lomax, who currently serves as the tour manager for Grammy-winning performer and 2008 Golden Globe winner, Queen Latifah.

Florida Governor Charlie Crist stated: “I am impressed by Full Sail’s commitment to shaping the next generation of leaders that will influence the global media, entertainment and communications industries, and it is an honor to have a top-ranking school achieve University status and be situated in the heart of our great state.”

For more information about Full Sail, visit www.fullsail.edu.