Contreras Spanked Link:

"Oregon officials are also obligated under the settlement agreement to refrain from characterizing KWU as a diploma mill. The attorney General's office also agreed to provide ODA personnel with a training session on defamation law."
--Portland Business Journal  2004

I know it's a little old but Contreras surely got his butt spanked in public. That often happens when you tell more than you know or can prove.? You would think being made a joke in public would be a warning but these folks are awfully slow and sometimes have to be kicked in the a** twice before they REMEMBER.

Actually Contreras doesn't Protect You at all, he never did.

"Degrees issued by religious-exempt schools are not considered ODA approved, but Oregon law allows users to claim them WITH NO PENALTY."

"About half the United States, including Oregon, allow certain unaccredited religious degree-granters to issue degrees WITHOUT the USUAL state oversight. Such degrees MAY or MAY NOT resemble standard degrees and MAY or MAY NOT meet an employer's needs. Oregon's standards for such degrees are set forth on ORS 348.604 and 348.605. However, the state does NOT KNOW whether these standards ARE MET beyond the initial issuance of exemption."
--ODA--2006

Now aren't we impressed with Oregon's close inspection of its own unaccredited schools. They MAY or May NOT be doing a good job. Oh well, I guess we will just have to make our own decisions without the help of the Accreditation Office of Oregon, oops, my mistake. ODA is state approval, NOT ACCREDITATION. DD/DI often make this same mistake. They like the form of state approval as established and interpreted by a Fat Homosexual. And yet they see little use for other forms of state approval, how strange. I guess the proper understanding of DL education requires looking thorugh the eyes of the homosexual. That is a view I'll just have to do without. It is a view that comes from an abnormal way of looking and thinking. It's as misplaced as the lifestyle that causes it. You can't get common sense and judgement from the far corners of life. It is completely devoid of the judgement and character as understood by the normal human being. It comes from the fringe, not the center of life. It is as devoid of understanding and judgement as is possible. The very extremes of the views expressed by such as the head of the ODA is more an indictment of the speaker rather than of the schools being wrongly maligned. It's obvious that Oregon fails to police its own and lacks the moral imperative to challenge from other states that which it tolerates at home.

Just another warped case of (Do as I say not as I do). You notice how they just love that DO AS I SAY STUFF?

George Dana Gollin has a NEW VICTIM to Stalk

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...php?t=3429

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    IUPUI lecturer is a WIDU "PhD"
Indiana University-Purdue University Indianapolis includes a School of Public and Environmental Affairs. Listed on its faculty roster in "Health Administration" is "Natalia Rekhter, Trustee Lecturer" who concentrates on "Health care finance and insurance, health care law and ethics, and strategic management."

Ms. Rekhter lists her degrees as:

* Ph.D., Health Science, World Information Distributed University
* Master of Health Services Administration, University of Michigan
* Bachelor of Education, State University of Ivanovo

Umm...


Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:41 pm      

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Whoa. A trustee lecturer is a full-time, continuing position -- sorta like tenure-lite.

jon in indianapolis


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Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:28 pm    

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    IN nix WIDU
...and Indiana law doesn't allow something like a WIDU "degree" to be used for employment, etc.


Thu Jul 05, 2007 3:31 pm      

g-gollin
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    IC 24-5-0.5-12: "False claim of doctoral degree"
Indiana code (note the outdated reference to COPA, rather than CHEA):


Quote:

IC 24-5-0.5-12

False claim of doctoral degree

Sec. 12. (a) It is an incurable deceptive act for an individual, while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction, to claim, either orally or in writing, to possess a doctorate degree or use a title, a word, letters, an insignia, or an abbreviation associated with a doctorate degree, unless the individual:

(1) has been awarded a doctorate degree from an institution that
is:
(A) accredited by a regional or professional accrediting agency recognized by the United States Department of Education or the Council on Postsecondary Accreditation;
(B) a religious seminary, institute, college, or university whose certificates, diplomas, or degrees clearly identify the religious character of the educational program; or
© operated and supported by a governmental agency; or

(2) meets the requirements approved by one (1) of the following boards:
(A) Medical licensing board of Indiana.
(B) State board of dental examiners.
© Indiana optometry board.
(D) Board of podiatric medicine.
(E) State psychology board.
(F) Board of chiropractic examiners.
(G) Indiana board of veterinary medical examiners.
(H) Indiana board of pharmacy.
(I) Indiana state board of nursing.

(b) It is an incurable deceptive act for an individual, while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction, to claim to be a:

(1) physician unless the individual holds an unlimited license to practice medicine under IC 25-22.5;

(2) chiropractic physician unless the individual holds a license as a chiropractor under IC 25-10-1; or

(3) podiatric physician unless the individual holds a license as a podiatrist under IC 25-29.

© The attorney general shall enforce this section in the same manner as any other incurable deceptive act under this chapter.




Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:00 pm      

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    Re: IC 24-5-0.5-12: "False claim of doctoral degree&quo
g-gollin wrote:
Indiana code (note the outdated reference to COPA, rather than CHEA)

Since the requirements don't say anything about foreign credentials, does that means there's a blanket prohibition on their use in Indiana? I don't think that would have been their intention, but that's what it says....

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Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:14 pm    

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The Indiana law prohibits the use of unaccredited doctoral degrees "while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction". Not sure that a university lecturer would qualify under this definition, as lecturers and professors do not ordinarily solicit money directly from students. My guess -- and this is only a guess -- is the law was targeted at phony "doctors" who use the title to promote health care products.


Thu Jul 05, 2007 4:57 pm    

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    Attorney general to announce crackdown on fake diplomas
"Indiana Attorney General Steve Carter will be at Indiana University South Bend today to announce a crackdown on fake high school and college diplomas.

Carter has shut down two "diploma mill" Web sites that create the dubious diplomas.

He plans to speak at the campus, 1700 Mishawaka Ave., at noon.

Carter obtained an order from the LaPorte Circuit Court halting two Michigan City businesses from engaging in the sale of imitation high school and university diplomas via the Internet, his office said.

Investigators from the attorney general’s office were able to obtain fraudulent diplomas purportedly from Indiana University’s Kelley School of Business from the companies."


Attorney general to announce crackdown on fake diplomas
State official speaking at IUSB today


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Thu Jul 05, 2007 5:34 pm    

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    Re: IUPUI lecturer is a WIDU "PhD"
g-gollin wrote:
Ms. Rekhter lists her degrees as:

* Ph.D., Health Science, World Information Distributed University
* Master of Health Services Administration, University of Michigan
* Bachelor of Education, State University of Ivanovo

Umm...

I have absolutely no knowledge of how this happened. But my guess is that she's somebody that somebody at IUPUI already knew. She had her master's degree and they were willing to hire her full-time... if she only had a doctorate.

I wonder if IUPUI would be willing to let students that professors already know and like submit pre-written term papers purchased online? The profs already intended to pass these kids, so the work is just an empty formality, right?

Somehow I expect that what's acceptable for professors isn't going to be tolerable for their students.


Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:11 pm    

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Deportation has such a pleasant sound.

Wuntcha tink that the funny name of the goativersity would have provoked a little curiosity? Nah.

Now watch Soviet-provenance Rekhter claim she was duped, and then that she's being picked on because she's an immigrant, or picked on as a Jew or a Volga German (with a name like that, she's the one ting or the utter*), never mind the thousands of Soviet-origin academics in the US with perfectly legit degrees from the Socialist Motherland, not to mention the ex-Soviet Jews and Germans here who would never in a million versts of Kuhscheisset resort to Mist like this.

Hang her high as Haman! Public health? Gevalt! Talk about "sicko"!


*After many years in the Weinbezirk, I got the accent down gut for the Wolgadeutschen. Lawrence Welk, ora pro nobis.


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Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:25 pm    

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Also doch! Ich meinte "Kuhscheisse".


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Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:26 pm    

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Tark wrote:
The Indiana law prohibits the use of unaccredited doctoral degrees "while soliciting or performing a consumer transaction". Not sure that a university lecturer would qualify under this definition, as lecturers and professors do not ordinarily solicit money directly from students. My guess -- and this is only a guess -- is the law was targeted at phony "doctors" who use the title to promote health care products.


The initial intent of this law was to curb hynotherapists.


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Thu Jul 05, 2007 9:56 pm    

g-gollin
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    Was that a BSU joke?
Jimmy wrote:
The initial intent of this law was to curb hynotherapists.


To keep the Ohio riff-raff from crossing the border?


Fri Jul 06, 2007 1:05 pm      

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    Re: Was that a BSU joke?
g-gollin wrote:
Jimmy wrote:
The initial intent of this law was to curb hynotherapists.


To keep the Ohio riff-raff from crossing the border?


Not sure but that really was the initial intent of the law.


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Sat Jul 07, 2007 12:20 am    

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Here's a gentleman with the impressive title 'Chief Engineer and Fire Protection Services Manager at IUPUI'. It seems that he's in charge of the campus fire alarms. (Reminds me of another gentleman in Missouri.)

http://www.ehs.iupui.edu/ehs/staff_tom.asp

What makes him relevant to this board is that he sports a "B. S. Fire Protection Engineering (Knightsbridge University)"

I suppose that this is a position that doesn't really require a university degree and this guy is just kind of puffing himself up a little.


Sat Jul 07, 2007 2:56 pm    

g-gollin
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    WTHR news story
Sandra Chapman, who ambushed St. Regis salesmen Bob Stefaniak and Ishaq Shafiq at a Chrysler plant near Indianapolis, has a story about WIDU and IUPUI: IU investigates diploma deceptions, July 9, 2007.


Quote:
...13 Investigates has found two cases at IUPUI where the who and Indiana University is investigating possible ethics violations over alleged Degrees of Deception.

"It's essential that people maintain academic integrity," said Dean Greg Lindsey from the School of Public and Environmental Affairs. "This is an important situation, and we're committed to investigating it and resolving it appropriately."

The first probe of the investigation is centered on Dr. Natalia Rekhter, a lecturer in the IU School of Public and Environmental Affairs. Hired in 2003 with a Masters from the University of Michigan, she teaches undergrad classes and ethics seminars. Rekhter also claims work with the US State Department.

On her website she declares a Ph.D. in Health Sciences from the "World Information Distributed University" in Belgium. The school touts a "royal decree" from its government, but national accrediting officials say it only means WIDU operators have set up a business, not a school. They have alerted IU officials to the fraud after receiving an overseas tip.

"WIDU, in my opinion, is a diploma mill. It does not have appropriate authority to issue secondary degrees from any jurisdiction, said Alan Contreras from the Office of Degree Authorization.

Rekhter reported the Ph.D. a year after she was hired at IU, but no one checked its validity. The dean says the degree wasn't necessary for her job.

"Clearly this person has to stop using that fake degree, or she will have no credibility, and the institution's reputation will be laughed at around the country," Contreras said.

"Our inclination is to try to clarify these matters as rapidly as possible, and we're committed to doing that because these things are serious," IU's Dean Lindsey said...

Tom Hulse is the Chief Engineer and Fire Protection Services Manager at IUPUI, a post he's held since 2001. The job required a bachelor's degree. Hulse provided one from Knightsbridge University in Sweden.

Hulse says he is not allowed to speak with 13 Investigates on camera, but he readily admitted the degree has no standing in the US saying, "We know it's not an accredited school. It's not a secret."...




Mon Jul 09, 2007 10:33 pm      


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...through a link on this page.


Mon Jul 09, 2007 11:37 pm      

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George beat me to the link. We've known about Hulse and the fake degree from Knightsbridge, but didn't know that the position required a degree. That's gotta blow up in his face. If it does....


Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:47 am    

Rich Douglas
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One other thing: the article notes that the fake Knightsbridge degree was from Sweden. Did Knightsbridge ever operate from there? (Not to my knowledge.) Perhaps the reporter confused it with Denmark. Or perhaps the guy with the fake degree did!


Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:49 am    

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Rich Douglas wrote:
One other thing: the article notes that the fake Knightsbridge degree was from Sweden. Did Knightsbridge ever operate from there? (Not to my knowledge.) Perhaps the reporter confused it with Denmark. Or perhaps the guy with the fake degree did!


Confusing Denmark and Sweden is understandable especially considering that the same someone confused academic achievement and academic fraud.


Tue Jul 10, 2007 4:16 pm    

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Bill Huffman wrote:
Rich Douglas wrote:
One other thing: the article notes that the fake Knightsbridge degree was from Sweden. Did Knightsbridge ever operate from there? (Not to my knowledge.) Perhaps the reporter confused it with Denmark. Or perhaps the guy with the fake degree did!


Confusing Denmark and Sweden is understandable especially considering that the same someone confused academic achievement and academic fraud.


Considering the name of the place, and the language of "instruction," confusion about its domicile seems to be expected, and even encouraged.


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Wowee goatee!

Here's the fine young cannibals in all they glowry:

www.widu.us/professors_since_2005 - 129k


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Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:17 pm    

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On the Baptist Board, which offers as watchwords both "the truth shall set you free" AND "dress up games" (how the hell should I know?), this WIDUmaker appears in all his born-again glow-ry:

http://www.baptistboard.com/member.php?u=4332


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Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:24 pm    

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And the goatbagpipers chorus from ocean unto ocean:

www.americanuniversity.org.uk/faculty.asp


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Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:27 pm    

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If you separate WIDU - USA (West), what I call the fake WIDU run by good but confused bald guy with unrecognized DBA then you get not such a bad association.
It is generally assumed that Prof Evrenov didn't really want the WIDU USA - West to be part of the WIDU So Robert Hill is running it as a fake WDIU.
If you are from Armenia or Mongolia, Penza than legally WIDU has a stronger standing than the latest addition WIDU USA.


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Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:45 pm    

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Eric wrote:

If you are from Armenia or Mongolia, Penza than legally WIDU has a stronger standing than the latest addition WIDU USA.


...or longer list of real academics who are also suckers for flashy titles.

EAI/WIDU would be just another Russian vanity "academy" if not for their nasty business of selling degrees.


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Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:04 am    

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Mongolia?


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Wed Jul 11, 2007 4:42 am    

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uncle janko wrote:
On the Baptist Board, which offers as watchwords both "the truth shall set you free" AND "dress up games" (how the hell should I know?), this WIDUmaker appears in all his born-again glow-ry:

http://www.baptistboard.com/member.php?u=4332


He was "born again" in 1979. In his case, I think one birth was enough.....


Wed Jul 11, 2007 7:39 pm    

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Thu Jul 12, 2007 3:31 am    

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    Hello Ladies and Gentlemen
Quote " Eric

If you separate WIDU - USA (West), what I call the fake WIDU run by good but confused bald guy with unrecognized DBA then you get not such a bad association. It is generally assumed that Prof Evrenov didn't really want the WIDU USA - West to be part of the WIDU So Robert Hill is running it as a fake WDIU. If you are from Armenia or Mongolia, Penza than legally WIDU has a stronger standing than the latest addition WIDU USA."

You people never cease to amaze me. There is an old saying that people who live in glass houses, shouldn't throw stones. I assure you I am not running an active university for WIDU in the United States. Professor Evreinov is still in charge and has returned to Russia on vacation until October.

And another thing, I have never sold a fake diploma or bought one either. I can assure you that everyone has a past, including many of you. I am sure the finest private investigator can dig up the dirt on any of you, if paid nicely for his services. Some of you may be under investigation at this very minute. Do you doubt what I am saying? I promise you I have the connections to get it handled.

WIDU will eventually receive recognition in the USA. I have a plan on helping Dr. Rekhter on her return through a university that is recognized by a MOE.

Sincerely,

Professor Robert Ray Hill, DBA, Academician


Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:06 pm    

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    Re: Hello Ladies and Gentlemen
True Patriot wrote:
...alll sorts of stuff...


"I assure you I am not running an active university for WIDU in the United States."

But you're listed as the vice-president. Could you describe to us what you actually do for WIDU in that capacity please?

"I have never sold a fake diploma or bought one either.

Are you referring to a WIDU diploma as a "fake diploma" or are WIDU diplomas excluded from the class of diplomas that you do not sell?

"I can assure you that everyone has a past, including many of you."

If we didn't have pasts, but instead just popped into existence suddenly, we'd be violating conservation of energy, a basic law of physics. So of course we have pasts.

"I am sure the finest private investigator can dig up the dirt on any of you, if paid nicely for his services."

That sounds like a threat, an ungentlemanly thing for you to write.

"I promise you I have the connections to get it handled."

That also sounds ike a threat.

"WIDU will eventually receive recognition in the USA."

We can all recognize poison ivy by its leaf configuration and sheen. Is this the sort of "recognition" you mean? Perhaps the WTHR story put WIDU on the path towards that kind of recognition.

"I have a plan on helping Dr. Rekhter on her return through a university that is recognized by a MOE."

Do you think she will value your assistance? Perhaps you should point her towards "Saint Bernard University" with its Seborgan recognition.

"Professor Robert Ray Hill, DBA, Academician"

...just love them titles.

Narcissism:

RCD-JB-GG- DL Experts Described Link:

"The narcissist likes to talk about himself and only about himself."

"The narcissist may possess a fabulous sense of humor, scathing and cynical. But he never appreciates it when this weapon is directed at him."

"These-the lack of empathy, the aloofness, the disdain and sense of entitlement, the restricted application of his sense of humor, the unequal treatment and paranoia-make the narcissist a social misfit."

"The narcissist brags. His speech is peppered with I-My-Myself-Mine."

"He describes himself as intelligent, or rich, or modest, or intuitive, or creative-but always excessively so."

"His biography sounds implausibly rich and complex. He always name drops."

"A narcissist will never admit to ignorance in any field."


Now doesn't this sound just like some of those braggarts we all know so well. Mr. Spell-check (JB) fits well but Mr. $150 bottle of wine (RCD) fits pefectly and of course dear old GG loves to see the I-me-mine used, especially by him. Aaah Me, they never seem to tire of slapping themselves on the back with praise and worship. Self-love, what it must be to be totally in love with oneself.

Is nothing sacred?

There is someone at aed pretending to be Dr. Goldblatt. He's about as humorless as a conservative Lutheran preacher.


http://groups.google.com/group/alt.educa...cc244cf3f8


Why doesn't the gang get a life and pretend to be their own failed selves instead of an icon of distance education?

The Air Marshall goes vulgar at DegreeDiscussion:


http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...c&start=45


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From one registered Republican to another, consider the source of the suggestion........



Typically chicken-shit, Russ. I make a comment about a public figure, you make one about me. Fuck you.


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Doesn't he even know that the ghost is Dayson? Some fancy doctorate!!

Link Insidehighered:

http://www.insidehighered.com/views/2007/06/28/pascoe


"""Fags and Homos

Glad to see this discussion. This problem seems almost invisible, or at least silent, among women. Why?

A somewhat humorous anecdote: I work to close fake schools and prosecute the users of fake degrees. At one point some of the people who run fake schools found out that I am gay and started calling me The Fat Homo in their various web postings. They did not realize that the commission for which I work contained at least one gay member. Therefore each time I shared the latest updates with the commissioners, they were even MORE supportive of my work, contrary to the hopes of the perps.

I'm tempted to have t-shirts made showing a picture of me with pansies in one hand and a.45 in the other, saying "Greetings from the Fat Homo. Any questions?"

One can shrink from this kind of thing or one can face it, as it were, man to man.

Alan Contreras, State of Oregon, at 11:30 am EDT on June 28, 2007"""


I mean seriously folks.? People attack the Fat Homo because he is incompetent not because he is a pervert.

In the beginning I thought I could debate and discuss things at DI and change minds. I knew that unaccredited degrees were much more usable than the gang was saying, how? I have had them for years, first hand experience. I also saw them saying things like, "DETC schools would not be acceptable except in rare instances." After several research studies I found that DETC schools are acceptable to about 97% of employers and will transfer to about 60% of regionally accredited schools and to most nationally accredited schools. The unaccredited schools are accepted at roughly 5-10% of accredited schools. In employment about 96% of private employers will see the degrees from unaccredited colleges as being positive to good.

What we had was the truth, unaccredited schools have value and usability and the nationally accredited schools are accepted almost the same as the bottom end RA schools such as Excelsior.

No, you won't be teaching at Yale with two degrees from Pacific Western University and you will also not be teaching at Yale if you only have degrees from the big three plus a few more such schools, one being Union.

What I never caught on to, in the beginning, was that they (the gang) wasn't being ignorant, they were deliberately lying to enhance their own positions, such as, RA or No Way. One could provide many reasons why grown men would lie and distort facts trying to attack other people, attempting to prove the unprovable, that schools such as TESC and Excelsior/ Capella are just the same as schools such as the University of Texas / Penn. State University. They lie for selfish reasons and to satisfy their weird needs.

The hard-core at DI are different in life-style and in their views of life. I believe they are incapable of argument and debate. They need to be enhanced and made more. Any discussion must conform to these needs and how they view themselves. The gang isn't about quality and usability, but about what they have done being good and it being better than what someone else has done. Go to DI if you will but you won't be welcome unless you are willing to treat average people with challenging problems as if they are experts and special. They want to be treated as good while acting very bad. Now that doesn't happen very often in life.

TO ME a DE/DL provider must be duly accredited and not shady in nature (this means there are providers BOTH accredited AND shady in nature ).
While different priorities exist for different people, i need no shady/joke education provider in my life.
My suggestion is
DO A THOROUGH INTERNET SEARCH ON YOUR PROSPECTIVE PROVIDER!

If a significant number of complaints pop up, investigate.
You may not want to be associated with providers exposed like
http://www.uopsucks.com/
UNIVERSITY OF PHOENIX
http://www.capellauniversitysucks.us/
CAPELLA UNIVERSITY

http://www.degreediscussion.com/forums/v...php?t=3347

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Thanks for the occasional interesting discussions but the culture of this forum is still dominated by the social drones with attitude (as an earlier quitter from degree.net described them) Uncle Janko and Hungry Ghost. I have succeeded in persuading a university to introduce a cheap distance education program. However every time I post a remark Uncle Janko and Hungry Ghost mock my military record when as a PAC/APLA lieutenant general against the South African apartheid regime I fiercely opposed the mystical fascist section of the Pan Africanist Congress's slogan "one settler one bullet. I deeply resent Uncle Janko and Hungry Ghost remarks supporting that foul racist policy.

I won't be back.(END QUOTE)


I wish Janko and his buddies would take it easy on people.